socko
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We're not going to see any change in this team's direction under Dubas. He has sucked the life out of me as a fan. I was so excited when we won that lottery too.
You don't need analytics to see a Team that missed the Playoffs and really isn't nearly as good as they are made out to be.
Really nothing more than some strange moral victory from those who really don't understand the game very well.
No they didn't. They assessed the Leaf's season very accurately. Great offense, average defense, poor goaltending. Hockey analytics understands that defense and goaltending are two different positions.
Expected goals against (defense) is not measuring the same thing as goals against (defense + goaltending), so expecting them to match doesn't make much sense.
It doesn't do that at all. Hockey analytics provides valuable information to better evaluate a team and/or players, and where the issues are. To ignore them is just choosing to have less information. You can't evaluate the separate performance of defense and goaltending from goals against.Defense and goaltending are two different positions. hockey analytics today just use poor data and misses many variables (such as goaltender position relative to where the shot came from, whether or not he is screened). It also pretends we are playing on a 2D surface, so every shot is on the ice.
The stats are more reliable than the eye test, and the eye test matches very well with what the stats say.Its NOT reliable, and obviously fans with eyes can tell you the numbers are not matching reality.
No, I support good, rational moves.
Then I'm not sure why you were pushing the "defense wins championships" narrative, when that's historically false, at least in hockey.
Huh? He doesn't care about defense because he traded an offensive player for a top 4 defenseman?
No, in terms of the role he's had on his teams for almost his whole career.As for Barrie being a top 4 defenceman, that would only be in terms of offence
+/- is useless. It's not representative of defensive ability.(his career +/- is -66!!! Compared to Jake Muzzin’s career +47).
Uh...what? You think good, sound, defensive hockey is getting stuck in your own end for extended periods of time? Also, you do realize the Capitals weren't good defensively when they won the cup, right?Also, wondering if you happened to hear coach Barry Trotz’ comment the other day, (you remember him don’t you, recently won a Cup as coach of the Capitals), he was saying he didn’t mind if the play was in their end for extended periods of time because of their defensive play. Yes, you heard right, his teams know how to play good, sound, defensive hockey.
Not really, as long as you don't have the massively horrible anchors that many teams have. We don't have any.Hard to have all these when 50% of your cap is paid to 4 forwards
Which means don’t get too attached to everyone. There are certain staples yes, but what you start with doesn’t mean lock.
Yes the Canucks used speed and skill, but they also brought a bunch of other elements we don’t.
Which means don’t get too attached to everyone. There are certain staples yes, but what you start with doesn’t mean lock.
Yes the Canucks used speed and skill, but they also brought a bunch of other elements we don’t.
With Montreal losing, I slightly looked into there forum, and it is not a unpopular opinion that they would like to move Max Domi.
I realize he is not a D man, however, he is a player we truley need to fill the role of talented pest who drags the team into an emotional game. I realize he had a very poor playoff.
If you have a center like Matthews or a defender like Jones, those are pretty much a lock.Oh I agree we don't have the proper balance at all - especially when guys like Hyman, Kap and Soup go MIA in the playoffs. And Mango inured
It doesn't do that at all. Hockey analytics provides valuable information to better evaluate a team and/or players, and where the issues are. To ignore them is just choosing to have less information. You can't evaluate the separate performance of defense and goaltending from goals against.
+/- is useless. It's not representative of defensive ability.
No, in terms of the role he's had on his teams for almost his whole career.
+/- is useless. It's not representative of defensive ability.
Uh...what? You think good, sound, defensive hockey is getting stuck in your own end for extended periods of time? Also, you do realize the Capitals weren't good defensively when they won the cup, right?
Not really, as long as you don't have the massively horrible anchors that many teams have. We don't have any.
when you’re an offensive Dman that’s y typically hits 40-50 points a season you should be a little higher than that. It means you’re on the ice for a LOT of goals against and less goals for. Doesn’t matter why it isn’t a good stat maybe over 1 season but over 5-6 seasons I think it says a lot about the kind of player you are. Look at the players bellow. Who of these would you say is a good player?
Tyson Barrie -66
Cody ceci -53
Jake Muzzin +47
Roman Polak +8
Pietrangelo +77
Webber +88
Subban + 29 ( 1 really bad season at -21..guess which one)
Honestly, the numbers don’t lie...I would give Subban 1 year on this team. He didn’t fit in with the devils but I think he fits the bill here. He is waaay more sound defensively then Barrie (not by much but he is historically better). Polak...not a good D but a better D then Ceci and Barrie.
I would support a player like Max Domi, but he would have to come with maybe 2 other sandpaper forwards we could then create a unit out of. Too many of the drop in the bucket type moves and it won't push the needle. AJ, Kap, Kerfoot are all low hanging fruit in terms of not bringing any special ingredients you'd like to swap out.
Barrie’s whole career has been all offence. And as far as +/- goes, watching Barrie play in his own end is proof enough! Also, if +/- is so useless and isn’t representative of defensive ability, what about Jake Muzzin?
And you do realize that Trotz now coaches the Islanders (this is his 2nd season), so he made that comment regarding his Islanders’ team, not the Capitals! And the point he was making (you do realize that every team gets cycled on occasionally, right?), is that the Islanders give up very few QUALITY scoring chances. Again, sound, defensive structure. If you watched many games, you might see the difference!
And I never saw Kadri playing more than 2-3 games in a playoff series.I never saw Barrie on his game while wearing blue & white. I'll have to take your word for it
This the 4th season played since finishing dead last. I like what Shanahan has assembled and I think Dubas is being unfairly roasted by a Leaf hating media. We're close and I've waited as long as anyone alive for the Leafs to reach the finals and hoist the cup. 4 years since we were the worst. Yeah there has been playoff heartbreak but jettisoning top tier talent to satisfy critics is stupid and old Leaf style. I can wait a few years too bad the children here can't
-He played all 7 in 2012-2013 vs BostonAnd I never saw Kadri playing more than 2-3 games in a playoff series.
Goalies are important, but signing 4 is an inefficient use of cap space and roster spots that would sacrifice the rest of the team. You still would have no guarantees of great overall play from those goalies, and you would be forcing them to be that much better to keep you afloat.
But you don't get a + for every type of point, and he played on some horrible rebuilding Colorado teams. There are better ways to say you don't like Barrie defensively than the worst stat in the history of stats.when you’re an offensive Dman that’s y typically hits 40-50 points a season you should be a little higher than that.
He's not a defensive defenseman, but his weakness are overblown. Whether you personally like him or the style of defenseman he is is irrelevant. The point is that he was a top 4 defenseman when we acquired him, so that's not "ignoring the defense" like you claimed. It's also not his only move to address the defense.And as far as +/- goes, watching Barrie play in his own end is proof enough!
Yes, I do realize that, but you mentioned the Capitals and said that Trotzs teams play a certain way. Washington was weak defensively in the year they won.And you do realize that Trotz now coaches the Islanders (this is his 2nd season), so he made that comment regarding his Islanders’ team, not the Capitals!
But spending extended periods of time in the defensive zone isn't good defensive structure, so the quote you referenced doesn't make sense. Also, the Islanders are not very good at preventing high quality chances. There are other aspects of defense they are good at, but that's not really one of them.And the point he was making (you do realize that every team gets cycled on occasionally, right?), is that the Islanders give up very few QUALITY scoring chances. Again, sound, defensive structure.
No, signing 4 goalies for 5m each is not a good move. It has nothing to do with who does it.Yet if Dubas decided to do this, you would be singing his praises, and finding all kinds of useless stats to support it.
They are accurate.Hockey models do not provide you with accurate information so your decisions may be EVEN WORSE.
Models don't need to confirm a bias to be right.Clearly there is a multitude of problems such as the leafs that prove the models need work.
I haven't seen you address any actual problems.You haven't addressed any of the problems I've pointed out