Rumor: Mantha to EDM for RNH?

[Retire91]

This would be reminiscent of the giveaway trade Holland gave Yzerman when he started at Tampa.

I really hope this is not true

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

The other guy also complained about his physicality, well despite being 6'5", Mantha doesn't play anything like a typical 6'5" guy, and he has compete issues to boot. Would love if he engaged every night, if he did we don't even think of trading him.

This may be recency bias on my end based on the last few weeks of the season, but I seem to recall a noticeable uptick in Mantha’s physical play and back checking this year, even when he hit cold streaks. Dude has had a couple borderline dirty hits and showed some snarl/fire this year. I kinda like that with our young guys. I’d never call AA or Larkin a powerforward, but they do throw more hits and scrap it up more than most similarly skilled players

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Not interested in what will be long term controlled Mantha, For short term Nugent-Hopkins the Oilers would need to add a sweetener to the deal. RNH for Mantha absolutely makes no sense from Detroit's perspective.

 

[Oddbob]

This may be recency bias on my end based on the last few weeks of the season, but I seem to recall a noticeable uptick in Mantha’s physical play and back checking this year, even when he hit cold streaks. Dude has had a couple borderline dirty hits and showed some snarl/fire this year. I kinda like that with our young guys. I’d never call AA or Larkin a power forward, but they do throw more hits and scrap it up more than most similarly skilled players

Mantha has always had a snarl to his game, when he wants to. Seems like it only comes if someone pisses him off, otherwise he doesn't play that way all the time. That is why I find the way he plays kind of odd. Someone gets in his kitchen and he has no trouble standing up for himself and teammates, that is frustrates quite a bit, that we don't see that Mantha all the time. Those games when he is fired up, he has shown the ability to drive the offensive side of his game as well.

 

[Henkka]

I hope Mantha never fights again, because that broken finger took ~10 goals off from his season totals.

 

[Gniwder]

I’d never call AA or Larkin a powerforward, but they do throw more hits and scrap it up more than most similarly skilled players

Seems like they both bulked up quite a bit, especially AA. I'm pretty sure they're above their listed weight. Certainly like the way the youngsters are all trending in that regards, Mike Kadar is doing a good job.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

I hope Mantha never fights again, because that broken finger took ~10 goals off from his season totals.

Agreed. Bert is the scrapper & distraction for the enemy on that line.

 

[lilidk]

Agreed. Bert is the scrapper & distraction for the enemy on that line.

IF Mantha fights he become invisible for couple of games , if Bert fights I am worried about his head . Lets leave it for 3-4 liners

 

[TheMule93]

I hope Mantha never fights again, because that broken finger took ~10 goals off from his season totals.

He missed 15 games, not 30

 

[dj4aces]

Honestly, I'm not a fan of trading away a guy who is showing a clear upward trend. RNH is a good player, but why would we trade Mantha for him? That doesn't feel right to me. It feels like poor asset management. I'd rather keep Mantha, sign a 2C on 1 July, and go from there.

 

[Henkka]

He missed 15 games, not 30

The hand was clearly not 100% healthy when he returned.

 

[Bondurant]

Mantha is upward trending and has 4 seasons less mileage on the tires. Holland can keep Fake Nuge.

 

[Bench]

Mantha is upward trending and has 4 seasons less mileage on the tires. Holland can keep Fake Nuge.

I mean, Mantha wasn't in cryogenic stasis during those years. He was still playing hockey (when not sidelined with season ending injury).

I get not wanting RNH but the 1.5 year age gap is not a compelling argument for me.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I mean, Mantha wasn't in cryogenic stasis during those years. He was still playing hockey (when not sidelined with season ending injury).

I get not wanting RNH but the 1.5 year age gap is not a compelling argument for me.

Big men often take longer to get going.

Those are hard miles on the NUGE's small frame.

RNH may very well be the better player but I would prefer to stick with Mantha and see how much better he can get

 

[Bondurant]

I mean, Mantha wasn't in cryogenic stasis during those years. He was still playing hockey (when not sidelined with season ending injury).

I get not wanting RNH but the 1.5 year age gap is not a compelling argument for me.

I never mentioned age gap. I mentioned NHL wear & tear. QMJHL and AHL is not NHL.

 

[Heaton]

There's a reason RNH was a 1st overall pick, he's a much better hockey player than Mantha and would be a much bigger piece to this team getting better. Centers are much more valuable than wingers. I'm confident we can find a winger closer to Mantha through UFA, draft or trade than we could find a center close to RNH.

 

[Claypool]

There's a reason RNH was a 1st overall pick, he's a much better hockey player than Mantha and would be a much bigger piece to this team getting better. Centers are much more valuable than wingers. I'm confident we can find a winger closer to Mantha through UFA, draft or trade than we could find a center close to RNH.

So you’d be happy signing RNH next offseason for 7 years at around $9 million per?

 

[TCNorthstars]

So you’d be happy signing RNH next offseason for 7 years at around $9 million per?

Nobody would and that number will never happen.

 

[Heaton]

So you’d be happy signing RNH next offseason for 7 years at around $9 million per?

8 years and 12 per year or I'm pissed.

 

[Bench]

8 years and 12 per year or I'm pissed.

Add a no trade clause and I bet you could knock that down to a cool 11.5.

 

[Hen Kolland]

There's a reason RNH was a 1st overall pick, he's a much better hockey player than Mantha and would be a much bigger piece to this team getting better. Centers are much more valuable than wingers. I'm confident we can find a winger closer to Mantha through UFA, draft or trade than we could find a center close to RNH.

Ah yes, back to the draft position matters 8 years into his mediocre career discussion.

Centers are more valuable than wingers....when they are actually centers. RNH is more winger than he is center. RNH isn’t a much better player than Mantha, and I question whether not he is even better at all at this point.

If you want a player who isn’t really a center and puts up hollow offensive statistics that are largely driven by the powerplay and being a passenger of his teammates, then RNH is your guy. The defense argument isn’t really going to work for you either, because it’s not like RNH is a shutdown guy, he’s an average defensive player.

 

[Heaton]

Ah yes, back to the draft position matters 8 years into his mediocre career discussion.

Centers are more valuable than wingers....when they are actually centers. RNH is more winger than he is center. RNH isn’t a much better player than Mantha, and I question whether not he is even better at all at this point.

If you want a player who isn’t really a center and puts up hollow offensive statistics that are largely driven by the powerplay and being a passenger of his teammates, then RNH is your guy. The defense argument isn’t really going to work for you either, because it’s not like RNH is a shutdown guy, he’s an average defensive player.

Are we pretending Mantha isn't a passenger?

Out of curiosity, what are you basing your conclusions from? How often do have you watched RNH play? I'm no expert, but I've watched 75% of Oilers games the last 2 seasons for fantasy purposes.

RNH isn't a center, like Mantha isn't capable of scoring when he isn't playing with our best players. They're similar players in that respect.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Are we pretending Mantha isn't a passenger?

Are we pretending that the stats that Mantha puts up regarding possession, shot control, scoring chances, primary point production is equatable to the production of RNH? I put together a very detailed statistical look at the two players. Mantha is lightyears ahead of RNH offensively. It’s not close.

 

[Heaton]

Are we pretending that the stats that Mantha puts up regarding possession, shot control, scoring chances, primary point production is equatable to the production of RNH? I put together a very detailed statistical look at the two players. Mantha is lightyears ahead of RNH offensively. It’s not close.

Mantha is very talented offensively, more so than RNH. But there's variables not being taken into account here, much like when wingingitinmotown went down the advanced stats rabbit hole to prove how great Brendan Smith was. I'm not going to try to convince you about RNH, I've seen both play a lot recently and I'll take everything RNH brings over Mantja's advanced stats that may or may not end up on the score sheet.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Mantha is very talented offensively, more so than RNH. But there's variables not being taken into account here, much like when wingingitinmotown went down the advanced stats rabbit hole to prove how great Brendan Smith was. I'm not going to try to convince you about RNH, I've seen both play a lot recently and I'll take everything RNH brings over Mantja's advanced stats that may or may not end up on the score sheet.

No, please tell me what RNH does “so much better” than Mantha besides for pointing at his output. There’s nothing that points to him being a plus defender, nothing that points to him being a plus offensive player, nothing that points to him being a plus center. You’re being baited into a player who will sign a long term $8M contract for a top six winger being classified as a center because he takes a lot of face offs.