Management Thread | The Song Remains the Same Edition

[Vancouver_2010]

I don't see the Canucks moving Miller unless they are motivated to dump his contract. Who is going to play 2C with Miller and Horvat gone? The best option on the roster is Beau. It gets real ugly from there.

I thought Bedard is a center? no?

 

[rypper]

Larkin is 2.5 years younger but his new contract is also a year longer.

With that said, I still think Miller should be traded because he doesn't fit our window.

I think you've misread.

Miller turns 30 on March 14th and Larkin will be 26 until July 30th.

Even with the 8 year extension, his deal will still be done before Miller.

But definitely agree about Miller not fitting our window as the biggest motivation to trade him.

 

[Ita]

I think you've misread.

Miller turns 30 on March 14th and Larkin will be 26 until July 30th.

Even with the 8 year extension, his deal will still be done before Miller.

But definitely agree about Miller not fitting our window as the biggest motivation to trade him.

I didn't misread. I realized that the Larkin's contract is superior (ignoring cap hit) even though it's a year longer because by the time they retire, one will be 35 and the other will be 37. Statically, it's a bad idea to have anyone over 30 and the longer the contract, the riskier it is.

Honestly, the Canucks was in control of their own desinty with Boeser and Miller. Miller could have been traded last year (we knew there were offers) and we could have just given Boeser a 1 year QO.

The team seems to be completely unaware that it's not properly built and is not anywhere close to a contender. I guess we can thank AQ for that.

 

[rypper]

I didn't misread. I realized that the Larkin's contract is superior (ignoring cap hit) even though it's a year longer because by the time they retire, one will be 35 and the other will be 37. Statically, it's a bad idea to have anyone over 30 and the longer the contract, the riskier it is.

Honestly, the Canucks was in control of their own desinty with Boeser and Miller. Miller could have been traded last year (we knew there were offers) and we could have just given Boeser a 1 year QO.

The team seems to be completely unaware that it's not properly built and is not anywhere close to a contender. I guess we can thank AQ for that.

Misread on the age. They're not 2.5 years apart. They're 3 years 4 months 16 days apart.

 

[mriswith]

We are not allowed to have a plan or any sort of strategic direction or any foresight.

It truly is like Benning never left, he's still here and the only thing that happened was that his IQ was doubled from 45 to 90.

 

[Canucks LB]

I take back f***ing everything

 

[bossram]

 

[vancityluongo]

What's really frustrating about the "build now" approach of giving up picks is that they cannot fluke into a literal and figurative lottery - like, the best upside possible is the JT Miller trade, where a 2nd line forward turns into a top-10 scoring player, or the Kuzmenko signing where a Russian free agent without much prior hype ends up looking like a near PPG winger for the remainder of his prime. Maybe that's what happens with Hronek too, but when these guys end up getting paid market rates within a couple years, you lose most, if not all of that value creation.

There's just no way to replicate the immense value of landing a superstar on an ELC and/or locking them down to a long-term contract before they hit their peak. And we're going down a path that requires competing against teams who have those players in place, while also requiring Allvin to out-do the 31 other GM's through methodical, process oriented, value-generating accretion.

There's only so much value that can be uncovered and I just simply don't see how this management group, with the cards they currently hold, can ever find enough to be an elite team for any period of time.

 

[bossram]

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Tbf
Everything they’ve done this far aligned with what JR said at the beginning
“Build for 2 years and then compete”
At least they have not lied

 

[bossram]

Tbf
Everything they’ve done this far aligned with what NR said at the beginning
“Build for 2 years and then compete”
At least they have not lied

They've been here for a year...what have they been building?

 

[4Twenty]

Extension of the Benning era.

Glad I no longer have an emotional investment to this shit.

Now to get rid of my habit of coming to this forum lol

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

They've been here for a year...what have they been building?

Adding a bunch of fast winger and a young top 4 D
Whether that work out or not is another story

What I’m trying to say is that they have a clear vision and likely won’t turn back on it

 

[Chrysalis99]

I’m sad and glad.

Glad to see everyone has the same option I do.

Sad to see everyone has the same option I do.

what a fluster cuck

 

[bossram]

Adding a bunch of fast winger and a young top 4 D
Whether that work out or not is another story

What I’m trying to say is that they have a clear vision and likely won’t turn back on it

Mikheyev and...? If they're "building for two years", Well Beauvillier is out after that. Raty is slow. Kravstov isn't known for his wheels.

This "young" top-four D will also need a new contract before the building phase is over. The Canucks bought high on a guy fluffing his production with PP time and inflated shooting. Allvin got rugpulled here.

 

[Melvin]

Un f***ing real. I don’t even know what to say. I was starting to feel optimistic yesterday. But no, not allowed. Every time I start to feel the slimmest glimmer of hope, this team takes a giant shit on it. Why. Just f***ing why.

 

[credulous]

 

[Melvin]

f***ing Christ

 

[iFan]

Canucks are the 6th worst team in the NHL how many picks do we have in the first two rounds?

 

[LordBacon]

 

[Melvin]

I didn’t even think I cared anymore. I’ve barely paid attention all year. But the last few weeks, I was starting to care. I was coming around.

And now, how can anyone give a shit? It’s the same shit over and over. Quick bandaids, no long term vision. No patience. No hope.

f*** this f***ing team. f*** Rutherford, f*** Allvin, and most of all f*** Aquilini. What a f***ing slap in the f***ing face.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

f*** you Allvin.

You are shit at your job.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I didn’t even think I cared anymore. I’ve barely paid attention all year. But the last few weeks, I was starting to care. I was coming around.

And now, how can anyone give a shit? It’s the same shit over and over. Quick bandaids, no long term vision. No patience. No hope.

f*** this f***ing team. f*** Rutherford, f*** Allvin, and most of all f*** Aquilini. What a f***ing slap in the f***ing face.

We’re going to keep sucking. And you know, when we start to reap the benefits from said sucking, and the future looks bright again, we will f*** it up by making rash decisions and trading away assets. The Canucks under Aquilini is a perpetual cycle of suckage. There is no beginning, middle, or end. Only sucking.

 

[canucksfan]

They have to clear space now so it's either by trade or buyouts. Wouldn't surprise me if they add picks or prospects to dump bad contracts.

 

[cc]

I've seen it mentioned that current management are given a 1-2 year window to be a contending team. If true, ownership is the driving force behind a lot of their decisions and will not let them retool properly.