Management Thread | Inconceivable Edition

[Hansen]

Oh man there were some direct jabs at Benning as an example of archaic hockey management

"You can't tell about a defenseman until they've played 300 NHL games"

 

[Melvin]

I don't think the document is very interesting, you guys.

 

[timw33]

If you took everything we've gleaned from Benning's philosophies and took the exact opposite stance, that's what the document looks like.

 

[Hansen]

I don't think the document is very interesting, you guys.

Yeah but this shit is your job, this is what we do for fun away from work

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I don't think the document is very interesting, you guys.

It's very vague, but that org chart is very interesting.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

If you took everything we've gleaned from Benning's philosophies and took the exact opposite stance, that's what the document looks like.

I would like to see Benning create a similar document.

Preferably without the use of crayon.

 

[I am toxic]

A 27 page presentation for how Gillis would run the Penguins as President of hockey ops. Entire structure. More of a slide show than in depth but showed org charts and core values and that type of thing.

I would be curious if there is anything on multiple GM's/AGM's to handle different aspects of the biz. iirc Gillis talked about that in an interview on 1040, several years after his departure as GM of the Canucks.

however, since it is confidential, I can leave it be


for now

 

[timw33]

Anything on multiple GM's/AGM's to handle different aspects of the biz? iirc Gillis talked about that in an interview on 1040, several years after his departure as GM of the Canucks.

also @Burke's Evil Spirit

Yes, specifically breaks down roles, and cites having an AGM who knows the cap of every team inside and out, and what to expect with future CBAs so that they can best position themselves to adapt to it (see Luongo recapture).

The concept of having two separate scouting teams that create their own lists is really interesting.

 

[I am toxic]

Yes, specifically breaks down roles, and cites having an AGM who knows the cap of every team inside and out, and what to expect with future CBAs so that they can best position themselves to adapt to it (see Luongo recapture).

The concept of having two separate scouting teams that create their own lists is really interesting.

I . . . I . . . I just can't comprehend proactive, out of the box thinking that appear to mirror best practices, continuous improvement . . .

. . . and then reflect on our current . . . . whatever you call Benning and Weisbrod . . . mismanagement?

 

[rypper]

A 27 page presentation for how Gillis would run the Penguins as President of hockey ops. Entire structure. More of a slide show than in depth but showed org charts and core values and that type of thing.

Just skimming through it, it's refreshing and interesting to read his take.

 

[4Twenty]

Just skimming through it, it's refreshing and interesting to read his take.

I want my team to have what he’s selling.

 

[Melvin]

It's very vague, but that org chart is very interesting.

Yeah that's definitely the most interesting part.

The idea of having two completely independent scouting departments evaluating the same players... that would be pretty difficult to manage. I am a skeptic (but it's interesting.)

 

[beachcomber]

No more Gillis, one of the worst drafting gm’s in league history.

 

[Peen]

No more Gillis, one of the worst drafting gm’s in league history.

He has acknowledged the poor amateur record for years and does so again in this document and suggests how to fix it.

 

[Hansen]

wow he came up with the idea of 2 scouting teams so his drafting can be twice as bad

 

[Melvin]

He has acknowledged the poor amateur record for years and does so again in this document and suggests how to fix it.

He's not saying it again. The document is quoting the time he said it before.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

He has acknowledged the poor amateur record for years and does so again in this document and suggests how to fix it.

Having two scouting staffs is an intriguing idea. I'd be interested to see if his drafting improves with these measures, and not having Ron Delorme in charge of scouting.

 

[mathonwy]

I would like to see Benning create a similar document.

Preferably without the use of crayon.

Nothing wrong with Crayon as long as you color within the lines.

 

[xtra]

God how I wish we had a gm that could talk like that again

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Having two scouting staffs is an intriguing idea. I'd be interested to see if his drafting improves with these measures, and not having Ron Delorme in charge of scouting.

Although this makes me think of the same thing I think about when people say Benning has been better since 2017. When Samwell Tarly is first getting trained by the Night's watch and says that he won't get any better, and Jon Snow says you can't get any worse.

 

[mathonwy]

Yeah that's definitely the most interesting part.

The idea of having two completely independent scouting departments evaluating the same players... that would be pretty difficult to manage. I am a skeptic (but it's interesting.)

A/B testing/scouting.

The theory is sound and could be executed with a well designed program structure supported by the right IT infrastructure (beyond excel).

 

[vanuck]

The biggest thing I took away from that document wasn't that depth chart, nor the desire for constant innovation, or even the human performance aspect (which is classic Gillis)... It was the repeated, consistent emphasis on laying out a strong scientific foundation for all decision-making. That's the kind of approach you want to see in people running an organization worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[Hansen]

I wonder what the impact of that leak is on Gillis' chances for the position. You can't think this was just leaked without consideration that it could cost the job, Spencer seems to have a good relationship with his dad based on his past tweets, and the cheeky Jake Virtanen reference after deleting doesn't quite seem like someone who just had a strip torn off them.

Gotta think that teams don't like that either way.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

I found it very fascinating. It's an executive position, and this is what an executive presentation looks like.

 

[I am toxic]

He has acknowledged the poor amateur record for years and does so again in this document and suggests how to fix it.

Wait, what, acknowledging errors and , , , and . . . doing something intellgent about it?

You can do that?