Rumor: Lies & Deception Thread | What Will You Believe Today?

[McTonyBrar]

Bob responds about Hall by saying never say never and that Smyth/Comrie both returned.

He thinks Hall will stay in Boston, however.

Then why not sign already

 

[North]

Spector is a fool

I think if the Oilers are willing to go that high on Hyman, it’s a virtual certainty Hall isn’t coming here.

 

[McVirginOil]

Just like maybe there is more than offensive numbers in the AHL?

The jump between AHL and NHL have a ton to do with what the players are doing, how they play the game and certain skills. The league's are incredibly different. Tons of instances of ppg players who never do anything in the NHL but like guys who put up half that go into have good NHL careers.

They had no issue bringing up Yamamoto and McLeod so there is clearly something they are seeing in Benson's game they don't like

His goals for % has always been positive with the condors, so he’s scoring more and allowing less goals when on the ice. his comparables in PPG in his 20 yr old season are amazing:

Just because Oilers can’t pro scout for the life of them, doesn’t mean it’s the players fault.

 

[jukon]

Benson simply hasn't been given a chance yet. He was fine in his last chance at some limited play. Did nothing wrong, more happened for us than against in the bit of time, and back in the AHL he went.

This year, he was great for the Condors. Absolutely a guy that deserves a shot, especially with the useless turds we had in the bottom 6. The hassle of moving guys probably is what kept him out and not wanting to handicap Steelcroft, our next HC.

I will be very disappointed if we toss away all that development time and just let Seattle have him while protecting a turd like Kassian who isn't gonna do anything until the least year of his deal, and by then might not do anything anyways because of age.

Hmmm, protecting a potential cost controlled top six winger or a fourth liner that we should be happy to let go of his contract. HMMMMMMMM. Gotta think real hard on this one, make sure I get it right.

I would like to think that Keith Gretzky wont let Kenny leave Benson unprotected.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Benson simply hasn't been given a chance yet. He was fine in his last chance at some limited play. Did nothing wrong, more happened for us than against in the bit of time, and back in the AHL he went.

This year, he was great for the Condors. Absolutely a guy that deserves a shot, especially with the useless turds we had in the bottom 6. The hassle of moving guys probably is what kept him out and not wanting to handicap Steelcroft, our next HC.

I will be very disappointed if we toss away all that development time and just let Seattle have him while protecting a turd like Kassian who isn't gonna do anything until the least year of his deal, and by then might not do anything anyways because of age.

Kassian will have more points in his next 3 years than Benson will have in his career

 

[The Safe Play]

It's not the pro scouts that watch the AHL lol

I don't trust any of our scouts if that helps.

 

[K1984]

Look at Ross Colton in Tampa Bay (a deeper team than us), they gave hime the chance and he had good numbers in the A. Why are better teams always finding ways to make the most out of their money? Oilers always do the opposite. If Ross Colton was an Oiler all of you would be clamouring to lose him for nothing .

Ross Colton can play in the bottom 6 and is a decent skater. So I would be he would get a pretty good crack at the lineup in Edmonton. Kind of like McLeod, who got a shot because he can skate and play in the bottom 6.

Benson can't do any of those things.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I think if the Oilers are willing to go that high on Hyman, it’s a virtual certainty Hall isn’t coming here.

How do we know we aren’t in on him? We aren’t just looking for one player. I feel like Hymans name is only high because he’s a Toronto player to be honest

 

[CycloneSweep]

His goals for % has always been positive with the condors, so he’s scoring more and allowing less goals when on the ice. his comparables in PPG in his 20 yr old season are amazing:

Just because Oilers can’t pro scout for the life of them, doesn’t mean it’s the players fault.

And like I said there is a shit ton of difference between the AHL and the NHL and points per game in the AHL means very little to the NHL.
You have 4th liners in the NHL dominating the AHL. You have guys putting him half a ppg in the AHL coming in and being top 6 NHL players.

I'd put money on Benson going the route of a Rattie or Lander.

 

[Little Fury]

Kassian will have more points in his next 3 years than Benson will have in his career

If Kassian gets to play with McDavid, sure.

If he's on the third and fourth lines: lol.

 

[EchoesoftheEighties]

Then why not sign already

Don't have to protect him in the expansion draft and can protect another asset instead. Especially if you're not tendering an 8 year deal it doesn't matter

 

[McVirginOil]

And like I said there is a shit ton of difference between the AHL and the NHL and points per game in the AHL means very little to the NHL.
You have 4th liners in the NHL dominating the AHL. You have guys putting him half a ppg in the AHL coming in and being top 6 NHL players.

I'd put money on Benson going the route of a Rattie or Lander.

That bet is based on what? 7 NHL games? I guess if we had a skilled player in the A putting up amazing numbers we won’t bring him up because he doesn’t fit in the bottom 6.. literally making no sense. Grinders are important sure but your whole bottom 6 shouldn’t be a bunch of them.

 

[The Safe Play]

And like I said there is a shit ton of difference between the AHL and the NHL and points per game in the AHL means very little to the NHL.
You have 4th liners in the NHL dominating the AHL. You have guys putting him half a ppg in the AHL coming in and being top 6 NHL players.

I'd put money on Benson going the route of a Rattie or Lander.

Points per game in the AHL does matter when at a younger age. Those players generally project into NHL players. I forget what it is but after 22/23 generally you are right those players are less likely to become NHLers.

 

[McAsuno]

How do we know we aren’t in on him? We aren’t just looking for one player. I feel like Hymans name is only high because he’s a Toronto player to be honest

The way I see it especially if Duul's right.
From highest to lowest priority
1) Hall
2) Hyman
3) Tatar.
If Hall re-signs with the bruins, they'll target Hyman, and if Hyman goes somewhere else, they'll go after Tatar.

 

[CycloneSweep]

If Kassian gets to play with McDavid, sure.

If he's on the third and fourth lines: lol.

Kassian would outscore Benson on a 3rd and 4th line he's

 

[Cloned]

Friedman states he thinks Hall may hit the market. Hyman is looking like itlll have to be 6M to win the bidding war and the Oilers are willing.

Good news bad news lol

 

[North]

How do we know we aren’t in on him? We aren’t just looking for one player. I feel like Hymans name is only high because he’s a Toronto player to be honest

Because right now Hyman is the one who can talk to other teams and since we’re talking to him, he’s got a leg up.

 

[CycloneSweep]

His goals for % has always been positive with the condors, so he’s scoring more and allowing less goals when on the ice. his comparables in PPG in his 20 yr old season are amazing:

Just because Oilers can’t pro scout for the life of them, doesn’t mean it’s the players fault.

So why isn't Dube better than Giroux?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If Kassian gets to play with McDavid, sure.

If he's on the third and fourth lines: lol.

I could outscore Kassian on the 3rd and 4th lines.

 

[Little Fury]

And like I said there is a shit ton of difference between the AHL and the NHL and points per game in the AHL means very little to the NHL.
You have 4th liners in the NHL dominating the AHL. You have guys putting him half a ppg in the AHL coming in and being top 6 NHL players.

I'd put money on Benson going the route of a Rattie or Lander.

Rattie and Lander at least got NHL time to show what they were. Dumping a guy after 7 NHL games because he might not be an NHL player to protect a 28 year old fourth liner and Kassper the Ghost is moronic.

If the AHL doesn't matter, just fold the farm club.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I could outscore Kassian on the 3rd and 4th lines.

Then you could also outscore Benson.

 

[The Safe Play]

So why isn't Dube better than Giroux?

Now you're just being pedantic. Basically Benson has an extremely likely chance of being an NHLer like everyone else on the list.

 

[McVirginOil]

So why isn't Dube better than Giroux?

That’s not the point of the chart, stop drawing your baseless conclusions. It’s to show you comparables to Benson. If there are a lot players in the NHL as his comparable, it’s a good bet that he’ll be a good NHL player too

 

[McJadeddog]

Then why not sign already

Because then Boston would have to protect him in the expansion draft. Same reason why lots of other UFAs haven't signed yet.