Not necessarily. I should have included this but he had apparently 7 Neu. Zone face-offs and 7 Def. Zone face-offs as well, way more than the Off. Zone, so 2-7-7 (Zone Starts: 1-7-1.) I made a small mistake in the Takeaways: he is tied with Zibanejad at 4 each, Panarin credited with 2 (and that is at 5v5). IMO if he's playing enough to have 4 Takeaways, then he's playing enough to have as many Giveaways.The3 of the last 4 stats are cumulative stats right...so of course a guy who isn't playing a ton would rank high in giveaways or low in offensive zone faceoffs if he's not playing a lot
Also that's makes the takeaways stat that much more impressive...and almost hard to believe considering Mika and panarin seem to have 4 a game each...
I think he's playing better than strome or howden so I agree he should be playing more...with that said I think it's more because howden and strome are playing super meh than lias' playing super great... if that makes sense.Not necessarily. I should have included this but he had apparently 7 Neu. Zone face-offs and 7 Def. Zone face-offs as well, way more than the Off. Zone, so 2-7-7 (Zone Starts: 1-7-1.) I made a small mistake in the Takeaways: he is tied with Zibanejad at 4 each, Panarin credited with 2 (and that is at 5v5). IMO if he's playing enough to have 4 Takeaways, then he's playing enough to have as many Giveaways.
I admit the sample size is so small that this all is far from concrete, but the point is everything we have to look at so far—the stats, and the fact that most people think he's played well—all point to his efforts being rewarded within the next several games; They very nearly were against Edmonton, but 'twas not to be /poetry.
No doubt Howden will also pot a few too, keeping him above Lias on the depth chart, and further annoying people.
I think he's playing better than strome or howden so I agree he should be playing more...with that said I think it's more because howden and strome are playing super meh than lias' playing super great... if that makes sense.
can someone please convince me what brett howden has done to warrant the 2C ?
ill wait.....
I realize it feels like months cause of the schedule...but it took Quinn 3 frigging games to shuffle the lines. can we please relax?
At a bare minimum, I think that Strome needs to be centering the 4th line right now. I would give Andersson the chance at 2C, but can live with giving Howden some more time. Neither factors in the thing that Strome has just simply not shown anything. Maybe it is as simple as Edge says, when playing with top 6 expectations, Strome simply fails to rise to the challenge and shrinks. Let him play a role on the bottom two lines, between center and wing. But he should not be a middle two line center right now.I think he's playing better than strome or howden so I agree he should be playing more...with that said I think it's more because howden and strome are playing super meh than lias' playing super great... if that makes sense.
The 2C spot should be up for grabs. Someone then needs to grab it.At a bare minimum, I think that Strome needs to be centering the 4th line right now. I would give Andersson the chance at 2C, but can live with giving Howden some more time. Neither factors in the thing that Strome has just simply not shown anything. Maybe it is as simple as Edge says, when playing with top 6 expectations, Strome simply fails to rise to the challenge and shrinks. Let him play a role on the bottom two lines, between center and wing. But he should not be a middle two line center right now.
I agree. That someone should include Andersson in the conversation.The 2C spot should be up for grabs. Someone then needs to grab it.
its less about the 2C to me then it is about moving the wingers up and down. if were gonna makes changes already- and i think this is dumb after 3 games, then lets get 20 going.
kreider has been brutal so far. ZERO shots on goal last game. ( he did hit one pipe though) he must get going. hes got 5 shots in 2 games. and that's playing the PP1 prime minutes.
lets move kakko up and buch down and see what happens there. buchnevich needs to shoot it more, hes become a setup guy to panarin only. hes got a great shoot, he needs to use it.
bread/mika/kakko
kreider/stromer/buch
flip flop chad and brett if you must. whats it matter really ?
this team needs to shoot the puck more. period.
Kreider-Strome-Kakko has been one of the worst lines in the NHL. Howden gets as much ice-time as Strome, can take face-offs, has scored a goal, and taken twice as many shot attempts. Why wouldn't he get a shot?can someone please convince me what brett howden has done to warrant the 2C ?
ill wait.....
And what exactly has your lover Strome done? Shoot 25% for a few weeks?can someone please convince me what brett howden has done to warrant the 2C ?
ill wait.....
Not completely meaninglessIf you think training camp and pre-season are meaningless then yes. It has only been 3 games
With the way CK has been playing it doesn't really matter who the 2c is right now unfortunatelyAnd what exactly has your lover Strome done? Shoot 25% for a few weeks?
Kreider-Strome-Kakko has been one of the worst lines in the NHL. Howden gets as much ice-time as Strome, can take face-offs, has scored a goal, and taken twice as many shot attempts. Why wouldn't he get a shot?
I think Kreider has looked poor, both in the pre-season and now. But he has a history of being a very good player, so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.all true. sadly.
why are we all so convinced that 16 is the problem ?
this guy might be the problem
And what exactly has your lover Strome done? Shoot 25% for a few weeks?
its 3 games. we've played 3 games. thats it.
Both Kreider and Strome can be the problem on that line at the same timeits 3 games. we've played 3 games. thats it.
howden has 1 goal and strome has none. wow. brett is certainly outplaying stromer.
they each have 1 point and howden has 1 more shot. again, hes really earning that shot.
im asking what has howden done to bump strome down after 3 freekin games ?
kreider is the problem on that line and so i dont believe 21 or 16 are the issue anyway. CK has been abysmal. hes been a boat anchor for that line. hes done zilch and hes in a CONTRACT YEAR ?!!!!
guys a shell of what he should be.
fyi, howden is a smooth -16 for his "career" with a s% of 9. hes shown me zero. last year, he was straight up bad. i mean, awful. fo% under 50. shooting @ 8% and a smooth -16
hes considerably worse at face-offs this season than strome and imo, a worse defender and so if he doesn't score or "make kakko and CK score more" (good luck with that) that line will get roasted.
its been 3 games. keep the lines as is for atleast 5 perhaps 10 games and see what we have before we shake it up.
quinn