Kenny's getting defensive about Jarnkrok on the radio. Says they saw Calle as a bottom 6 center. Calling the media out. Had a hard time seeing Jarnkrok getting into the lineup.
Did he really say that? I'm surprised. Although I might have to defer to them, since Holland has been scouting players since before I was born...Kenny's getting defensive about Jarnkrok on the radio. Says they saw Calle as a bottom 6 center. Calling the media out. Had a hard time seeing Jarnkrok getting into the lineup. Mentioned that they like Luke in the 4 spot. And Joker has more years left on his deal.
What if Helm is on the fourth line, and Zetterberg and Datsyuk are both on the first?If Glendenning is on the 4th line to start next seasons. It's a MASSIVE failure of assessing talent and asset management by Holland and Babcock.
Did he really say that? I'm surprised. Although I might have to defer to them, since Holland has been scouting players since before I was born...
What if Helm is on the fourth line, and Zetterberg and Datsyuk are both on the first?
Dats/Z
Legwand or Weiss
Sheahan
Helm
4 Centers.
I'm not sure why your conclusion is that Holland is lying. This explains why they traded him the way they did. If they had valued him higher, it would have been a different situation.That is *hilarious* about seeing Jarnkrok as a bottom6 center. That's never been the assessment of the scouts and he's done nothing but impress our AHL coach and he started to pour it on in the scoring department as well.
And even if he *was* a bottom six center, putting Andersson and Glendening above him? I like both players, but they have serious flaws. Andersson is slower than Homer when he's sleeping. Glendening has stone hands and has shown no signs of any skillset above that of a 4th line grinder.
Really think Jarnkrok wouldn't be better than those two guys? It's not like he's a sieve defensively where he would be a liability down there. If anything, the people who have watched and coached him do nothing but talk about what a responsible player he is.
This is garbage. I thought I was mad before, but Holland's just lying now and that just pisses me off even more.
Which just goes back to what you said about Luke being #4 being a serious mismanagement of talent.
Even if we don't sign Legwand in the offseason, and even if we put Z on the wing, we have more than enough centers to keep Luke out of the lineup.
Why the *hell* would he ever be there barring injury? Glendening is a serious downgrade from all those centers. Obvious downgrade from Z/Dats/Legwand. Sheahan and Helm? Perhaps the gap isn't as big, but it's still pretty damn big.
Dats/Z
Legwand or Weiss
Sheahan
Helm
4 Centers.
I've been reading a lot of posts suggesting that this trade will only be worth it if we re-sign Legwand. Well...when healthy, that leaves us with:
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Weiss
Helm
Sheahan
Andersson
AND Legwand?
Now, I don't see getting rid of Andersson as a problem, but if the trend continues, he may just be waived. But regardless, that's a stupid amount of quality centers (assuming Weiss gets it together). D & Z will retire Red Wings, Weiss is obviously untradeable, and I don't see Holland wanting to lose Helm or Sheahan.
So really, how can Legwand be considered anything but a rental? This trade boggles my mind. Would Holland really give up a 3rd rounder and Jarnkrok for 20 games of a veteran UFA and a very uphill battle to make any type of cup run?
Holland has been such a tight-wad with his assets, then he makes a move like this. It's ****in' stupid...
Edit: I forgot about Glendening. He's an pending RFA, so he doesn't really pose a problem, but he might also be lost for nothing.
Zetterberg shouldn't be playing center anymore neither should Helm. Andersson is as useless at center as he would be at wing so really we have
Datsyuk
Weiss
Legwand
Sheahan
With guys able to slide in if injuries occur
I'm not sure why your conclusion is that Holland is lying. This explains why they traded him the way they did. If they had valued him higher, it would have been a different situation.
Now, I mean, they can still be WRONG about Jarnkrok. But I think it's out of line to say that Holland is just lying. He at least believes that Jarnkrok doesn't have a lot of upside, I think.
Didn't Babcock say that Glendenning will be converted to wing if all centers were available anyway? As much of an overpayment as this is, we don't have a lot of room for Jarnkrok in the next few years. Z, Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson etc... Some of these guys will have to be converted to wings.