LeBrun: Leafs, Sabres, Discussing Ristolainen

[Man Bear Pig]

The only way I see this working is if you paired him with Muzzin, because Muzzin is more defensive he could cover for Risto's mistakes

We already have enough of those guys. We need a major defensive upgrade. Risto just isn't that guy. We need another Muzzin type.

 

[colchar]

Is this for a confidence boost for the rest of the Leafs blueline so they don't look so bad by comparison with their defensive gaffes?

Nah, for that role they're bringing back Gardiner.

 

[Kiwi]

We already have enough of those guys. We need a major defensive upgrade. Risto just isn't that guy. We need another Muzzin type.

We can't shelter all of the defensively inept defenseman we've already got, Jesus Holl is on our "shutdown" pair as it is

 

[HaNotsri]

Ristolainen would do very well for the Leafs. Hopefully Botterill is fired before they can rob him in the summer.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

We can't shelter all of the defensively inept defenseman we've already got, Jesus Holl is on our "shutdown" pair as it is

This is what I'm alluding to. You cant just have 1 or 2 guys carrying the other 4. You need a strong top 4. A guy like Holl along with Dermott is fine as a third paring but the moment you plug them into the top 4, you're in trouble. It's scary that a kid barely old enough to buy a beer has become our 2nd most reliable defender.

 

[Archijerej]

I wonder: is he really that bad at defending, or is it just the Buffalo effect?

 

[tsujimoto74]

I wonder: is he really that bad at defending, or is it just the Buffalo effect?

He's not that bad at defending, he's that bad in transition. His most frequent errors are after he's gotten the puck back and is trying to break out. Trying. His metrics improve a ton when paired with a strong puck-mover.

 

[mydnyte]

the Leafs have tons of cap space because of injuries, they could make the deal today easily.
Risto would be like a RHD version of Gardiner with a snarl, and I'd be okay with that ...there are many worse options out there (and more expensive)
...I'd rather they grabbed an up and comer on the cheap (like the Fox deal) though.

 

[slg1963]

When in need of a big RHD who's defensively sound, the Leafs turn to a big RHD...
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Leafs should be targeting Zadorov from Col.

 

[mydnyte]

Yeah your record definitely says That’s what you guys do you’re one game out of not being in the playoffs

think of it this way, they are in the playoffs as poorly as they have been playing, and with a revolving door of injuries.
once they get on track (like most teams do after slumping, and half the team having the flu) they should be able to pull away.
all they need to do is finish in 3rd.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Why are they discussing?

Botterill: hey Kyle, how’re things? Sorry about the beat down the other night.

Dubas: yeah, sucks, out of a playoff spot now and the media is killing us. What’s new with you?

B: I know the feeling..... Trying to trade Ristolainen. His analytics suck and so does he. Trying to move him but no one will trade.

D: Yeah, that sucks. Well, let me know how it goes. Take care.

B: yep, good luck the rest of the way.

 

[jonlin]

Leafs should be targeting Zadorov from Col.

Exactly why would Colorado, a playoff-team, trade Zadorov? I`d imagine they would, if they would get Nylander back, but there is no point in that. Pretty sure that futures or a 2-tier prospect wont be enough...

 

[Blaine8797]

think of it this way, they are in the playoffs as poorly as they have been playing, and with a revolving door of injuries.
once they get on track (like most teams do after slumping, and half the team having the flu) they should be able to pull away.
all they need to do is finish in 3rd.

Yeah but an all around stronger team is on there ass there just not gonna give up for Toronto, I say Florida gets 3rd and Toronto battles a wildcard apot

 

[Do or Die]

At least people, for the moment.... have stopped trying to foist Ristolainen on the Jets.

 

[Team Cozens]

My guess is Bracco is involved.

Zero interest in Bracco of Kapanen. Just don’t see a good them as trade partners on so many levels.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Risto, Thompson & 1st for Nylander.


Please.

 

[inthe6ix]

We already have enough of those guys. We need a major defensive upgrade. Risto just isn't that guy. We need another Muzzin type.

I agree and I know he shoots left and has a NMC, but a guy like Niklas Hjalmarsson would do wonders for our back end. Problem is, there aren't many guys like that around that are available.

 

[mydnyte]

Yeah but an all around stronger team is on there ass there just not gonna give up for Toronto, I say Florida gets 3rd and Toronto battles a wildcard apot

Florida is actually worse defensively than Toronto, its been their downfall all year

 

[Magic Man]

Kerfoot + Dermott + Bracco + 2022 2nd rd. Pick for Risto in the summer.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Kerfoot + Dermott + Bracco + 2022 2nd rd. Pick for Risto in the summer.

Awful.

 

[therealkoho]

This is a dumb way to fix/build their defense unless Barrie isn't coming back next year. Then it makes sense.

Barrie is definitely not coming back

So, who is this Sergei guy? And is he quoting some other statement that LeBrun has made or is he jumping to a conclusion?

And LeBrun's original tweet says nothing about the Leafs being interested in anyone. It justs says that one of the other 30 GMs thinks he might have the answer to the Leafs' RD problem. It doesn't say anything about the Leafs being interested.

EDIT: Ah, I see in another thread that LeBrun said it on Overdrive. That's the missing piece of info in the original post.

Dregers taller but equally uninformed Russian counterpart

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wonder: is he really that bad at defending, or is it just the Buffalo effect?

275 giveaways and 115 takeaways in his career (1-2.4 ratio).

In comparison
- Muzzin has 514 giveaways and 129 takeaways (1-4 ratio)
- Rielly has 497 giveaways and 259 takeaways (1-2 ratio)
- Zadorov has 180 giveaways and 86 takeaways (1-2 ratio)
- Pietrangelo has 374 giveaways and 436 takeaways (1-0.85 ratio)

There is something to be said about the Sabre effect. Not sure though. Maybe hockey IQ is Ristolainen's issue. Lots of tools in the toolbox but can't seem to know how to use them effectively for a full season

 

[mydnyte]

Yeah but an all around stronger team is on there ass there just not gonna give up for Toronto, I say Florida gets 3rd and Toronto battles a wildcard apot

Toronto has tons more talent, and has been playing rubbish, and will get Reilly/and Mik back next month for an extra boost.
they cant continue to play as bad as they have been for the rest of the year (or can they)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Florida is actually worse defensively than Toronto, its been their downfall all year

Agreed. Bob looks like Hutchinson playing behind that Panthers D. Team D is nothing to brag about though for either team

 

[mydnyte]

275 giveaways and 115 takeaways in his career (1-2.4 ratio).

In comparison
- Muzzin has 514 giveaways and 129 takeaways (1-4 ratio)
- Rielly has 497 giveaways and 259 takeaways (1-2 ratio)
- Zadorov has 180 giveaways and 86 takeaways (1-2 ratio)
- Pietrangelo has 374 giveaways and 436 takeaways (1-0.85 ratio)

There is something to be said about the Sabre effect. Not sure though. Maybe hockey IQ is Ristolainen's issue. Lots of tools in the toolbox but can't seem to know how to use them effectively for a full season

you have the ratio backwards