Recalled/Assigned: Leafs Loan Rasmus Sandin to Marlies | Re-Call Kevin Gravel

[Schenn]

24 minutes a night in all situations including PP time at AHL level is >> 12 minutes in a sheltered role at NHL level for his development.

Differing opinions, and impossible to know who is right.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think it’s the right call personally

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Wishful thinking for a day of cap savings and he will be back up for tomorrow

there is no cap savings when using LTIR.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

can anyone confirm if this is true? Seems like a possibly (about the cap-savings)

It isn’t true. When using LTIR you do not accrue cap space. So nothing is gained by saving cap on a player unless you go under the ACSL (not even close for us).

 

[The Iceman]

Give Gravel - Holl a look see.

I was very impressed with limited expectations for Gravel in the preseason.

 

[Einzakin]

Its a good move. I think Sandin could play regular NHL minutes but Id rather see him playing 25 tough minutes in the A. Hopefully Babs is gone by the time he gets called back up.

 

[biotk]

I haven't been disagreeing with you. You just seem to be looking for someone to argue with. I'm trying to think of a reason they may be doing this. It's not how I feel. I'm trying to rationalize their thoughts on this. Right now he's our #5 and IMO he deserves to be here.

I don't know why there needs to be a better rationalization than this is the correct move for Sandin's development and for the team long-term. Dubas should have done this within minutes of the season opener based on Babcock's deployment of Sandin. Finally he stepped up and did his job.

I will repeat what I said yesterday: "The Leafs' playing their best prospect 12 minutes a game on the third pairing to make the team slightly better makes as much sense as if the Leafs had kept Marner on the roster in 2015/16 to play 4th line RW. "

These 6 games for Sandin have been, at best, wasted time, and at worst detrimental for his long-term development. No special teams. Minimal ice time. Ridiculously micromanaged ice time. Results in completely unnatural play and psychologically is a major stressor on a young D who should be building confidence and playing big minutes. I have been saying since the first game of the regular season that the longer he is kept on the roster the longer it will take for him to recover in the AHL. I suspect that it will take around 2 months for him to return to the level of play that he displayed in the AHL last March. This has been the poster child of how not to develop a young D since every case of Babcock having a young D on his roster for a couple games in his Detroit years.

 

[PromisedLand]

Can Gravel PK?

 

[biotk]

Differing opinions, and impossible to know who is right.

All evidence points to one side being right - and that is the side of 24 minutes a game in the AHL is orders of magnitude better than 12 minutes a game in the NHL.

 

[Mess]

Give Gravel - Holl a look see.

I was very impressed with limited expectations for Gravel in the preseason.

Gravel is dirt, but its useful in filling in a Holl hole.

Get it ??

 

[A1LeafNation]

He got nailed squarely on Saturday night.

The only reason he was up was he was avoiding those hits, if he can't avoid them right now, he needs some more man strength.

 

[MSZ]

Sandin is only 19, let him play in the A.

 

[SprDaVE]

He got a taste and looked solid but he wasn't getting enough minutes.

This gives the Leafs a placeholder for when Dermott is back in 2-3 weeks.

Holl has done well with his minutes. He's been getting better and better as he plays more. The Leafs probably want to give some of those lower minutes to Marincin and get Sandin a lot more minutes.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Dermott is close to return, and that's a great thing.

A 3rd pairing of.....

Marincin / Holl is nightmare inducing.

 

[The Iceman]

Quick for Joseph Woll earning a shutout in his first AHL start for the Marlies this season.

 

[Menzinger]

I wont blink if hes called up later

 

[MJ65]

Gravel is what 27 years old and hasn't played a full NHL season as yet, he is basically here to fill in until Dermott is back. I am not too concerned about Sandin, him and Lily are the future

 

[Leafs87]

I believe it’s the right move. Don’t burn a year. Give him some NHL experience. Pull him out right before he starts to struggle. he did take a pretty big hit last game too. Assuming Dermott is ready to go soon too

 

[thewave]

Sandin >>>>>>>>>>> Marincin, Holl

Wrong move

He wasn't ready and the hype around him was just that. The kid needs another year to get stronger and be a more complete player. He was making lots of little mistakes that most people ignored because of said hype.

 

[TMLeafer]

I'm fine with this as long as we don't see a Marincin-Holl pairing.

 

[DarkKnight]

And to fair, he hasn’t been worse in his own end than Barrie.

 

[All Mod Cons]

We got grit now?

6 or 7 more to go and we'll be getting somewhere

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Sandin is clearly good enough for the NHL but Babcock is doing a terrible job with his development

 

[Fogelhund]

Once Dermott and Hyman are back... plenty of spare parts, maybe a trade or two... give them some playing time, and hopefully raise their value.

 

[thewave]

Sandin is clearly good enough for the NHL but Babcock is doing a terrible job with his development

No, he is saving his development. The guy is not overly quick for his size. He got lined up, in a PO he will get wrecked. He is not ready and people with your opinion will have him in on the IR. NHL PO is play for keeps