Dreger: Leafs in market for Shutdown D - Holland available

[Seedling]

Reinhart is your man.

 

[Vitto79]

Love how this says holland avail . No really ? He was waived and cleared already

 

[TeddyBare]

Love how this says holland avail . No really ? He was waived and cleared already

Considering the players that haven't been claimed already this year.

Holland has zero value.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Love how this says holland avail . No really ? He was waived and cleared already

When will people realize that his waiving at the beginning of the season had nothing to do with his availability or current value. He was waived for money reasons, not performance reasons or because we didn't want him. Because he cleared, we got 800k off his cap hit and increased his value as a result. If he was really waiver fodder, we wouldn't have qualified him in the first place (like Percy, Carrick, Smith, etc.) and let him become a free agent.

Like Laich, Greening and Michalek, he just lost to a huge numbers games at forward. The Leafs preferred to play younger guys in the lineup over (arguably better in some cases) veterans and the vets either saw their ice time cut or were waived. The fact that Holland hasn't been waived yet and Leivo was placed on IR shows that there is probably something out there for him right now, unlike the latter three who were waived pretty much immediately.

I wouldn't be surprised that between our game on Saturday against Washington and our trip out West in the middle of next week he's moved out for more than people expected him to get and we have Leivo off of the IR. There is not a lot of basis for this claim more than a gut feeling, but I know Holland has more value than people are making it out to be.

As for the defenseman thing, I doubt we are considering most of the options presented to us on here unless the other team is paying us to take them on.

 

[DJB]

Holland is the bait?

I guess Leafs wants waiver fodder in return?

 

[Walshy7]

Holland is the bait?

I guess Leafs wants waiver fodder in return?

what's with people coming in here not reading the op? your joke has been done 1000 times already, at no point was it Holland for a Dman. It is we are "looking for a defensive dman oh and by the way we also have Holland if anyone wants him". How hard is it to work that out?

 

[gwh]

JVR has put up 1st line numbers since arriving on the Leafs, about 3.5 seasons worth of games

I dont mean that. JVR is 1st line not-star winger. Solid add to any team. His problem is 18 months to UFA versus 3.5 seasons of Hamonic.

Double term, much higher value. Double term with 2mil underpaid cap, much much higher value.

Hamonic with 1.5y would be ok trade for JVR + little something + taking 2mil NYI cap.

Kapanen is speculative, so our opinions differ. Not a big deal, since 20th pick is nowhere near the gap in valuation between JVR and Hamonic.

 

[branch]

No one wants peter holland stop putting him in proposals

 

[WTFMAN99]

No one wants peter holland stop putting him in proposals

I can do nothing but face palm at this post.

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

Kris Russell would have been a good fit. Make a trade for Kevin Klein.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kris Russell would have been a good fit. Make a trade for Kevin Klein.

Klein is good, Russell really isn't.

 

[Hyack57]

Tanev. Wasted in Vancouver at his age and contract and for the type of hockey he provides. Right handed shot defenceman with keen defensive tendencies and very good Corsi.

 

[JarvisFunk]

Klein is good, Russell really isn't.

Russell has been fantastic, a post like this is akin to someone coming into this thread and yelling 'LOL Leafs want a good d-man for waiver fodder Peter Holland?", some people have no reading comprehension, others have no evaluating ability beyond looking at advanced stats I guess.

 

[Walshy7]

Tanev. Wasted in Vancouver at his age and contract and for the type of hockey he provides. Right handed shot defenceman with keen defensive tendencies and very good Corsi.

would love him but would not give up Nylander, Marner or Matthews. So I guess wouldn't happen

 

[Liferleafer]

Tanev. Wasted in Vancouver at his age and contract and for the type of hockey he provides. Right handed shot defenceman with keen defensive tendencies and very good Corsi.

Been talked about in multiple threads....good player....price to high.

 

[Debrincat93]

wings will give you smith for free.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I dont mean that. JVR is 1st line not-star winger. Solid add to any team. His problem is 18 months to UFA versus 3.5 seasons of Hamonic.

Double term, much higher value. Double term with 2mil underpaid cap, much much higher value.

Hamonic with 1.5y would be ok trade for JVR + little something + taking 2mil NYI cap.

Kapanen is speculative, so our opinions differ. Not a big deal, since 20th pick is nowhere near the gap in valuation between JVR and Hamonic.

Oh sorry, I get what you mean

Agreed that Hamonic's contract terms are more valuable than JVR's definitely

I think the value gap here is smaller than you do, but I can see why NYI wouldn't do it as well.

I think it's easier to look at it in the most liquid terms (picks+prospects) because you don't have to factor in team need, cap, etc - with JVR converted to futures (mid-late 1st + B+/A- prospect), I think that Kapanen+Mid 1st+a B+ prospect is enough to get Hamonic in a vaccuum, or Kapanen+late 1st+another Kapanen level prospect

Doesn't account for team need, but in the scenario that NYI was dealing for futures

Unless we disagree on what Hamonic is I guess - I see him as a good top 4 guy who can play either 1st or 2nd pairing, but who isn't an ideal target as a "Top pairing defenseman"

 

[Twist and Shout]

wings will give you smith for free.

Has he fallen that far? He's only 27 and getting paid 2.5M too?

 

[McGhostbuster]

Holland for Fayne?

 

[LV*]

JVR is leftie and the 3 years contract gap is huge. No deal here, unless you want to give Nylander for Scandella+

we dont want Brodin lol

have fun losing him to expansion

 

[WTFMAN99]

Russell has been fantastic, a post like this is akin to someone coming into this thread and yelling 'LOL Leafs want a good d-man for waiver fodder Peter Holland?", some people have no reading comprehension, others have no evaluating ability beyond looking at advanced stats I guess.

Didn't like what I saw last year in Calgary and Dallas. He was getting killed and spent a lot of shifts in his own zone. The Leafs are trying to reduce shots against. Plus he's another lefty, and would be an expensive luxury on the 3rd pairing.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Let's hope they sign one as a UFA. The Martin deal gives me hope for that

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Has he fallen that far? He's only 27 and getting paid 2.5M too?

I'm not really sure if he's fallen, Just not really needed in our system we would rather have Ouellet out there right now then Smith.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

wings will give you smith for free.

Heck we'll give him up for a 2018 4th round pick just to get that $2.75 million off the books here.

 

[Halla]

Josh Manson
Clayton Stoner
Conditional 2019 2nd round pick (becomes a 3rd if JVR doesn't re-sign)


JVR (50% retained)
Matt Hunwick
Kasperi Kapanen

brutal. JVR @ 50 and kapanen for manson, a likely 3rd, and cap dump?

ducks would take that and run, the leafs wouldnt though