Friedman: Leafs and Matthews discusing extension?

[flamesforcup]

he's won 5 playoff games, same as JG, but at least he's never been swept. JG being your best player and getting swept is pretty appropriate, cuz he doesn't care at all.

Look we can go back and forth all day but the Stats dont lie. Gaudreau has averaged more points per season than Matthews and actually doesnt disapear when the game gets tight. I really hope he gets paid close to Mcdavid because in 2 years after his 2 more playoff chokes it will be known as the worst contract in league history

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Knock off the crap.

 

[AuraSphere]

What is with all the back and forth banter... who even starts this crap lol. Get back to discussion.

Johnny hockey is a great hockey player,
Matthews is a great hockey player.

Both teams need to quiet down as they'd love to have either player be a star on their team.

 

[FerrisRox]

Shows up about as well as Johnny Hockey in the playoffs.

Johnny Gaudreau has 11 points in 15 playoff games and has been the Flames best player in the post-season.

In his rookie season, he produced .80 points per game in the regular season and then was slightly better in the playoffs with a .81 points per game rate.

What are you talking about?

 

[FerrisRox]

He's also missed the playoffs more than Matthews.

And yet, he's played a game in the second round.

Hard to brag about the playoffs when the last time your team won a round the iPhone hadn't even been invented.

The last time the Leafs won a playoff series, the series winning goal was scored by Joe Nieuwendyk. He is 52 years old.

"Yeah" by Usher was a hit song when the Leafs last one a playoff series. Now it's played on the oldies station.

This is a really dumb topic for you to be bragging about.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

lol what do u mean? Hes literally our best player in the playoffs. At least he has won a playoff round (in his rookie season too). That argument made no sense

Ferland was your best player in that round, not JG.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Johnny Gaudreau has 11 points in 15 playoff games and has been the Flames best player in the post-season.

In his rookie season, he produced .80 points per game in the regular season and then was slightly better in the playoffs with a .81 points per game rate.

What are you talking about?

So his rookie season matters but Mattgews' doesn't?

And yet, he's played a game in the second round.

Hard to brag about the playoffs when the last time your team won a round the iPhone hadn't even been invented.

The last time the Leafs won a playoff series, the series winning goal was scored by Joe Nieuwendyk. He is 52 years old.

"Yeah" by Usher was a hit song when the Leafs last one a playoff series. Now it's played on the oldies station.

This is a really dumb topic for you to be bragging about.

What? Who's bragging? Maybe the guy that brought up the whole playoff discussion, I merely pointed out that Gaudreau hasn't done much of anything in the playoffs since Matthews entered the league. It's absolutely silly to make an argument about playoffs when there is a difference of two games and 3 or 4 years in age. People want to talk about Matthews winning a round, fine. But he's also never been swept, and he's never missed the playoffs.


This whole silly discussion started when I made a crack about Johnny Gaudreau getting his nickname trademarked in a response to a shot at Matthews' supposed ego.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Condolences on the game tonight. Getting lit up by one of the weaker teams to start the year on home ice......it's starting. Dufas better pull his head out of that dark space and fix his defense.

We don't need or want your phony condolences. It is a long season. In fact we will lose more games throughout the season as will the thirty other teams. You spelt Dubas wrong, and you obviously have no idea about Switzerland- they have days and nights just like you do so there is no need to pull himself out as you say. Addlepated posters such as yourself should think before posting.

 

[Critical13]

And yet, he's played a game in the second round.

Hard to brag about the playoffs when the last time your team won a round the iPhone hadn't even been invented.

The last time the Leafs won a playoff series, the series winning goal was scored by Joe Nieuwendyk. He is 52 years old.

"Yeah" by Usher was a hit song when the Leafs last one a playoff series. Now it's played on the oldies station.

This is a really dumb topic for you to be bragging about.

On a normal day, how many hours do you spend thinking about our Leafs

Just come over to the dark side already!

As for Matthews, it would be a huge relief to get one of the big three signed, sooner than later. The other two will likely follow.

I am hoping he comes in somewhere around 12-13.5% or so of the cap. If he gets the 15% as expected, that will certinaly make things challenging. On the flip side, Tavares has been really good, having that duo down the centre for 8 years is awfully exciting.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I could see a method to the madness of a five year deal being a negotiation tactic with Nylander. Everyone knows Matthews will get paid. And assuming nothing changes, Toronto will basically offer him a blank cheque. This could easily be a "our best player is taking less now for more later" sort of nod to Nylander. Makes sense if you aren't certain you can keep both down the road but want to budget a cup run early.

 

[krt88nc]

Giving him 5 years could be a franchise-changing mistake.

It won’t be if you could win 2 or 3 Stanley Cups. But I’m mystified as to why you’d want the 2nd best scorer in the league to get to UFA as early as possible.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Take McDavid deal and multiply by 0.75, because Matthews is 25% worse as a player, then escalate that by inflation.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Hope he signs for McDavid money.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

What would be the problem with 5 year term? Am I missing something here?

He's a UFA once it expires.

A contract to bring him to free agency is what Nylander is looking for imho. Will Matthews want this also?

 

[Jimclar]

Naive post...matthews isn't signing for anywhere near as low as 9.5

Sorry you were too lazy to read the entire thread. Others had suggested that Matthews that would sign for below 9.5m. (or a short term RFA contract) I suggested at minimum that Leafs have to offer a contract that would force other teams to go over 10.2m that would be four first rounders.
I don't think any team can "cheap" their way in signing players.

 

[A1LeafNation]

10*5
10.5*6
11*7
11.5*8

 

[TorontoTrades]

10*5
10.5*6
11*7
11.5*8

11.5 x 8 would be fine by me. 12 or less is a fair number.

Would love to see him take Tavares contract for 8 years but we'll see if Matthews is willing to leave a bit on the table.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Eichel signed for 10 and McDavid signed for 12.5 after the season where the cap was 73M. Percentages of 13.7% and 17.1% of total cap.

Matthews is somewhere in the middle of those 2, so lets say 15-15.5% of this years cap which is 79M.

That works out to 11.85-12.25M adjusted for inflation.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 11.75-12.0 over 8 years.

 

[AvatarAang]

12x8 and make Tavares captain
or
11x8 and make Matthews captain

 

[Dexter Colt]

12x8 and make Tavares captain
or
11x8 and make Matthews captain

Salary shouldn't affect captaincy decisions.

And who would "spend" $1M per year on having more off-ice events to attend, increased scrutiny, etc? I think especially in Toronto, one would have plenty to begin with.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Why is it the Leafs problem that edmonton and buffalo are ****hole cities and franchises?

Those teams had to overpay.

Those are not the leafs problem. Those are AMs closest comparables, and your gm was either too dumb to sign him this summer or AM was to greedy to sign. Plus the media is comically comparing him to mcdavid and half of the mouth breathing leafs fan base believes it.

Those are the leafs problems.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

8 years... Matthews will want 12.5, Leafs offering 11.5...

Split it.. 12 mill for 8 years

 

[Danny1237]

QFT.

The real question is what is the dollar value for him associated with each of the years?

Is it a situation where the price is $12.5m x 8, $12m x 7, $11m x 6, $10.5m x5?

Or are we looking at $12m X 8, $11m x 7, $10m x 6 and $9.5m x 5?

Or are we looking at $11m x 8, $10m x 7, $9.5m x 6 and $9m x5?

The Range could also look like some mixture of all of that. What is 8 years costs $12.5M but you can get a 5 for $9M-$9.5.

All of that matters, my point is they shouldn't be afraid to discuss what a 5 year term looks like, because when they figure out the dollars for the different possible terms, they can make a decision based on what the risk rewards of each are.

For instance, by at least knowing that say an 8 year term can be reached at $12.25M and a 5 year deal would cost $9.85M as an example, they now have real numbers they know are a possibility to use for different projections and figure out if one is better than the other for them.

 

[justafan22]

12.034 million

 

[Saidin]

12.34 X 8 = 98.72