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Friedman: Leafs and Matthews discusing extension?
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SHANNYPLAN
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I wouldn't mind a 5 year deal (especially at a discount). I don't understand all the panic surrounding 34 leaving after that. All signs indicate that he loves Toronto, and he definitely seems like he feeds off of the publicity and popularity, and he's developed this new swagger because of it.
But Arizona...
Look, I wish the Coyotes nothing but the best, but this is a team that can't afford to spend to the Cap or anywhere near it. Matthews can go be their hero, but would he really want to be on a team with no supporting cast?
If he signs a 5 year, 10 million dollar contract, that gives him the opportunity to capitalize on the cap increase by the end of his deal. I think he gets the C right after signing his contract, regardless of the term.
But Arizona...
Look, I wish the Coyotes nothing but the best, but this is a team that can't afford to spend to the Cap or anywhere near it. Matthews can go be their hero, but would he really want to be on a team with no supporting cast?
If he signs a 5 year, 10 million dollar contract, that gives him the opportunity to capitalize on the cap increase by the end of his deal. I think he gets the C right after signing his contract, regardless of the term.
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Yeah nothing wrong with a 5 year contract, as long as the player doesn't try to gouge you on the third contract. A 25 year old Crosby and 26 year old Malkin could've demanded whatever they wanted - max contract even as some team in the league would've paid it. They instead took very manageable 8.7 and 9.5 AAV long term contracts, which right now look like absolute steals.
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More and more I see cap % used to determine a players value to a team. Points aren't an accurate enough reflection of the players value as it is a team game. TOI,Corsi,PP points.PK time....it's all very involved now! Is it really taken personally if you get less money than one or some of your peers? If you don't perform well,are you giving the team a rebate?
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No way he takes anything lower than 8 x 13 considering the albatross contracts awarded this summer alone.
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What do Kopitar, Stamkos, Toews all have in common?
Each were on a 5 year deal when they last played a SCF game. There's some merit to having some cap room for a deeper team.
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Is that you Shanny? lol
Not even close...he will get 12M per season....7-8 yr deal.
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He gonna sign for 10M; and will get significant increases in advertising-commercial revenue because he is a Leaf which will mitigate the impact on the cap hit
Guaranteed!
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I think, if Arizona were to table a huge offer to a hypothetically unrestricted Auston Matthews, part of the reason for doing so would be the thought that an homegrown star would help sell tickets, improving their attendance and allowing them to spend a lot more money on the roster.
Furthermore, to suggest that there would be no supporting cast in Arizona is just silly. They have a lot of excellent pieces in place there that should they develop as expected the Coyotes would have a lot of good young pieces around the time that Matthews would hypothetically be a free agent.
That would be the only reason why he’d sign for 5 years. He’s shown the willingness to do something like this when he went to Europe to play in his draft season. Got paid and played where he wanted. Smart of him to sign a short deal with a $12M-ish cap hit and then cash in even more with the option to choose where. He could be getting $15-16M then as a UFA if he keeps improving and the cap goes up.
The money they would rake in by having a hometown top 10 player in the league would easily be enough to cover any overpay they’d have to make.
It is a mythical solution. No hometown guy has saved a market in any sport outside of maybe the Rocket in Montreal. If they don't win the novelty will quickly disappear.
The desert lacks hockey fans, that won't just improve because they have a local kid. The only solution that appears to solve these issues in a significant amount of cases is winning.
Adding Matthews would help a lot with wining.
You’re greatly underestimating the impact he could have there while being rather ignorant about the Yotes and their fans.
No, you are greatly assuming things. Teams aren't saved by home-town hero's in any sport, there is almost no solid example of this since The Rocket across any league. The closest is maybe Joe Mauer. The kid being local is a novelty, and those things quickly disappear. The Preds and Tampa didn't become viable because they got some superstar local kid, they became viable and successes because they started to consistently win.
I would say you are being ignorant of the Yotes and there fans if you think the main thing that will draw them is having a local kid. I think most would be drawn in by a winning team more than having Matthews. Plus, if they are going to break the bank to sign Matthews to a contract the Leafs can't match, its going to be pretty damn hard to be a winner unless they spend to the cap. As an Oilers fan, I'm sure you can see one player won't get you into the playoffs.
I asked this question in a thread 2 years ago, and here are the responses I got.
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/has-a-local-kid-ever-saved-a-franchise.2075649/
sad to say but he's the one holding the trigger right now. It's up to whatever he wants, but i still doubt he gives a big discount... first contract, American etc.
He'll get what he wants because theres no one to replace him.
you can hard ball Nylander because he's exandable, Matthews isn't.
He'll get what he wants because theres no one to replace him.
you can hard ball Nylander because he's exandable, Matthews isn't.
Did you totally ignore my post that said Matthews will help with winning. Unless you don’t agree because you don’t believe Matthews is an elite level player and won’t become one in the next 5 years.
A lot can change with a roster over the span of 5 years as well. Just ask Leaf fans how garbage they were 7 years ago and many years before that too. Probably worse than Arizona has been for the last 10-12 years. If they add a couple more high picks in the next few years and then sign Matthews in 2024 he could be the final piece to their rebuild. Much like Tavares coming home is supposed to be for Toronto right now. Then again maybe going home is the last thing he actually wants, we’ve seen that before with Stamkos not wanting to sign with Toronto and taking a big discount to stay in Tampa.
I don't see how Arizona can win if they pay Matthews an amount the Leafs won't, unless they become an NHL cap team. I don't think any NHL team can pay a player a close to 20% of there full salary and win. If Arizona keeps the same budget they have now, or even just slightly increases, but allocate that money to Matthews they will still have significant issues winning. Matthews helps you win, but only at a certain price-point, or as a certain percentage of your salary expenditures.
Let's assume Matthews gets 17% of the cap (slightly more than what McDavid gets right now on a deal he signed as an RFA). Right now, Arizona has 9 million in Cap space. That's before realizing they have only 64,000,000 million (roughly 16 million below the cap) in salaries expenditures. Then factor in that 80% of Hossa's and Booth's contract is covered by insurance. So, in reality, Arizona is spending about 56,000,000 in actual salary. Paying Matthews 17% of the NHL cap would account for 13.6M under the current Cap, but on a team like Arizona that would account for roughly 25% of their salary. I don't care if its Gretzky in his prime, I don't think any NHL player could help a team win when he accounts for that much of the team's salary expenditure. Getting Matthews won't immediately make it viable for them to spend to the cap.
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I would suggest that you and all the others who are saying he will bolt from Toronto the second he has a chance are being ignorant.
That's implying that the leafs would even let him get to UFA status...which they never will. Teams simply do NOT luck onto a player like AM, spend years developing him while building around him only to let him walk.
