Confirmed with Link: Lawson Crouse and Dave Bolland for 2nd and 3rd picks

[KG]

The Coyotes arent doing anything another rebuilding team wouldn't do. The existence of the salary cap creates this sort of supply and demand.

Then again, I believe it was Campbell who wanted it abolished

 

[SoCloseToToast*]

Realistically, what are the chances that Crouse makes the Coyotes this year?

 

[BUX7PHX]

I think we'll lose either McGinn or Richardson to Vegas.

Depending on what Las Vegas has to work with, we could ask them to take a 2018 draft pick from us to pick up Bolland - which would basically do the same thing for that team - Bolland doesn't play, Vegas pays $1.1M each year for two years, but the $5.5M counts toward the cap hit if they can't get a ton of high dollar contracts there and need to support the cap floor. Dount it works out like that and I could see them being more likely to go with a player like Schenn or Richardson in that scenario.

 

[Kaizen]

I'd give it a 1 in 5 chance. If the Rieder impasse get resolved prior to the season starting those odds go down.

 

[Guest]

It feels like the impasse with Rieder is hurting his chances more and more. The team is trying to build depth and they might just pick up someone that makes Rieder expendable. I don't doubt that Rieder would be fine with moving on, but he may end up losing a half a season in the NHL over this if he doesn't find a middle ground with the team and vice versa. That could impact him in future negotiations and all backfire. Hopefully both sides are committed to getting a deal in place before camp.

 

[Mosby]

Funny, Ken Campbell, who cries about the Bolland deal, sang the opposite tune when the Leafs dealt Clarkson for Horton.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/c...nd-brilliant-circumvention-of-the-salary-cap/

As the headline states, "Clarkson-for-Horton trade a legal, and brilliant, circumvention of the salary cap".

Dude's a fraud.

Also, the media must stop grouping Pronger into the same category with Bolland and Datsyuk. Our major return from Pronger was Niklas Grossman! It also saved us the cash of a Gagner buyout.

 

[lanky]

Realistically, what are the chances that Crouse makes the Coyotes this year?

My view is it greatly depends on whether Rieder comes back or not. With Rieder in the lineup, Crouse is 95% likeley to be heading back to the Kingston. If Rieder bolts to the KHL then I think Crouse is the most likely candidate to fill the hole. There would be a number of others to battle for that spot so I'd put his odds at 50% in that scenario.

 

[Jakey53]

Funny, Ken Campbell, who cries about the Bolland deal, sang the opposite tune when the Leafs dealt Clarkson for Horton.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/c...nd-brilliant-circumvention-of-the-salary-cap/

As the headline states, "Clarkson-for-Horton trade a legal, and brilliant, circumvention of the salary cap".

Dude's a fraud.

Also, the media must stop grouping Pronger into the same category with Bolland and Datsyuk. Our major return from Pronger was Niklas Grossman! It also saved us the cash of a Gagner buyout.

He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

 

[Jakey53]

My view is it greatly depends on whether Rieder comes back or not. With Rieder in the lineup, Crouse is 95% likeley to be heading back to the Kingston. If Rieder bolts to the KHL then I think Crouse is the most likely candidate to fill the hole. There would be a number of others to battle for that spot so I'd put his odds at 50% in that scenario.

Rieder would have already gone to the KHL if that was his intention. It was a bluff on his agents part and it did not work. Does anyone know when the KHL season starts?

 

[Mosby]

Reider is playing for Team Europe at the World Cup. I think he (his agent) said there won't be a KHL decision until after that tournament wraps up. Unless of course he signs with AZ before then.

 

[RemoAZ]

It might be good if he goes to the KHL. We keep his rights, he gets another year of experience and we get to look at another prospect for a season.

 

[Jakey53]

It might be good if he goes to the KHL. We keep his rights, he gets another year of experience and we get to look at another prospect for a season.

That works. I would be very surprised if Rieder is not signed, but the way this off season is going who knows.

 

[KG]

Most players who come from KHL bust. A select few thrive. I don't want to take that risk on Rieder.

 

[moosemeister]

Most players who come from KHL bust. A select few thrive. I don't want to take that risk on Rieder.

I really wouldn't care if he left. We have plenty of players from within who are bound to replace him one day anyways. May as well call them uo

 

[Jakey53]

I really wouldn't care if he left. We have plenty of players from within who are bound to replace him one day anyways. May as well call them uo

Not so fast there buddy. In my opinion, Rieder could become a core player for this team playing on the third line. His PK skills are getting better and he can be used on the PP if needed. The only thing, two years does not make a career, and he has to prove to everyone that he still has room to grow and get better, and if he does his pay day will come.

 

[Mosby]

Can't imagine he bolts to the KHL over a couple $100Ks. As of the last report, the two sides were apart by about $400,000 or so.

I wonder if there is another factor here? Rieder asked out of Edmonton because the writing was on the wall that he wouldn't get much opportunity given the Oilers' winger depth. Perhaps the same situation is materializing with him in Arizona. He's already behind Domi, and probably all 3 of Domi, Crouse, and Perlini with the next year.

 

[lanky]

and probably all 3 of Domi, Crouse, and Perlini with the next year.

too early to make that assumption

 

[YotesFan47]

Can't imagine he bolts to the KHL over a couple $100Ks. As of the last report, the two sides were apart by about $400,000 or so.

I wonder if there is another factor here? Rieder asked out of Edmonton because the writing was on the wall that he wouldn't get much opportunity given the Oilers' winger depth. Perhaps the same situation is materializing with him in Arizona. He's already behind Domi, and probably all 3 of Domi, Crouse, and Perlini with the next year.

I really hope a 400k difference isn't the issue here. I'd feel better if Rieder was asking for 3.5 and management was asking 2.5. 400k seems so nominal to argue over (at least from a pro sports perspective).

 

[Jakey53]

I really hope a 400k difference isn't the issue here. I'd feel better if Rieder was asking for 3.5 and management was asking 2.5. 400k seems so nominal to argue over (at least from a pro sports perspective).

You have to set a precedent. If management feels Rieder is worth 2mill. why pay 2.3?

 

[cobra427]

I really hope a 400k difference isn't the issue here. I'd feel better if Rieder was asking for 3.5 and management was asking 2.5. 400k seems so nominal to argue over (at least from a pro sports perspective).

There is no need or benefit for the Coyotes to over pay. I am sure the Coyotes have run the comparable's to assess value, Chayka is an analytics guy after all. They could go to arbitration and let a third party decide. I suspect the arb decision will be right at the Coyotes offer price. RFA's don't have any leverage, you have to be a UFA for that. His agent can wait/threaten an option in Europe, or whatever, none of it makes a difference. Reider will sign at market value, sooner or later, because that is his best and really only option.

 

[ck26]

Perhaps the same situation is materializing with him in Arizona. He's already behind Domi, and probably all 3 of Domi, Crouse, and Perlini with the next year.

By what measure is Toby Rieder behind Lawson Crouse and Brendan Perlini?

Rieder has three seasons of pro hockey, two in the NHL, and put up 37 points as a 23 year old playing in "the men's league" last season.

Perlini has zero seasons of pro hockey, and put up 45 points as a 20 year old playing in the kids league last season.

Crouse needs to dominate, not just be good, but dominate in camp if he wants to stay out of the OHL this season. He's not the same as Strome, an elite playmaker who has absolutely destroyed the OHL twice. Crouse is a big body who has been borderline dominant in the OHL twice.

Perlini has plenty to prove in the AHL before he moves to Scottsdale. We have the option to keep Crouse in juniors, so he needs to do something spectacular to force Tipp to keep him here.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Would the Coyotes have traded for Crouse if Reider wasn't having a contract dispute?

 

[Jakey53]

Would the Coyotes have traded for Crouse if Reider wasn't having a contract dispute?

I think so. Getting another top 10 prospect gives the Coyotes more chance of success. We know all these prospects won't turn out, so the more high end one's you have the better.

 

[Jakey53]

By what measure is Toby Rieder behind Lawson Crouse and Brendan Perlini?

Rieder has three seasons of pro hockey, two in the NHL, and put up 37 points as a 23 year old playing in "the men's league" last season.

Perlini has zero seasons of pro hockey, and put up 45 points as a 20 year old playing in the kids league last season.

Crouse needs to dominate, not just be good, but dominate in camp if he wants to stay out of the OHL this season. He's not the same as Strome, an elite playmaker who has absolutely destroyed the OHL twice. Crouse is a big body who has been borderline dominant in the OHL twice.

Perlini has plenty to prove in the AHL before he moves to Scottsdale. We have the option to keep Crouse in juniors, so he needs to do something spectacular to force Tipp to keep him here.

He did say within a year. Who knows, but I have done some due diligence on Crouse, and the more I read, the more I like him. Training camp will give us a much better picture.

 

[TJinAZ]

Pretty sure we would

Would the Coyotes have traded for Crouse if Reider wasn't having a contract dispute?

Think Reider and Crouse are different types of players. We needed a big body forward to balance out our roster. Other than Hanzal and Doan, not a lot of Coyotes play the "heavy" game.