Be careful not to look to the opposite extreme. Personally, I won't consider Patrik a star until he at least repeats last season. For now, he's just an excellent player to me.
Also in the same season scoring the most goals in the Finnish Liiga playoffs, being the key player for Tappara winning the championship and being voted as the MVP of Liiga playoffs. And this after being a few months before the best goal scorer and one of the best players in the gold medal winning Finnish U20 team. Then after the Liiga playoffs winning the WHC tournament’s MVP award and helping Finland to silver medals (just barely lost to Canada’s NHL star filled team in the final) in the tournament. All this as a 17-18 year old during the whole season. Truly one of the all time best seasons any junior player has had at that age. Here is in fact the best parts of that whole season for him.Oh man those were the times. An U18 player as an MVP of mens hockey world championships, almost doubling the previous point record for a player of that age, and the previous record was nearly 100 years old, if I am not mistaken. Also more than doubling previous modern day record of U18 Jaromir Jagr.
Yet, he was the best or among the best Jets in the playoffs, too. So there.While the WJC may have the best players of that age range, they are just kids.
The quality of play and players that play at the World Championships is also not comparable. Most of the goalies are almost always a clear tier below NHL guys and you have to really think how most NHL guys or guys with contracts treat that tournament. Sure, guys are trying to win, but they are not going 100%, or 110%, like in the NHL playoffs.
You forgot beating FEL playoffs while being 17. FEL has some really good goalies, like Ville Husso (St. Louis Blues, now traded to Detroit) that Laine had to beat on finals. Certain Veini Vehviläinen, drafted by CBJ had by far the worst numbers of any goalies that FEL post season.World Juniors and World Championships are not the NHL playoffs.
While the WJC may have the best players of that age range, they are just kids.
The quality of play and players that play at the World Championships is also not comparable. Most of the goalies are almost always a clear tier below NHL guys and you have to really think how most NHL guys or guys with contracts treat that tournament. Sure, guys are trying to win, but they are not going 100%, or 110%, like in the NHL playoffs.
There’s one.1PPG when the next best guy was 0.78 and his most common linemates were 0.75 and 0.65. All that with tied lead of even strength goal differential (+3) with Domi on a team that was losing, so the points were not made in expense of cheating at defensive side of things etc. Also the team was (barely) making it into playoffs with Laine, while without him it was nowhere close (you can find jepjepjoo's post from this thread).
When you are head and shoulders above players usually considered as good such as Voracek & Bjorkstrand, either that is elite, or then those considered good should be just mediocre.
Ps. I had no intentions to make any kind of insult by that "understanding", but the fact is there are like 600-700 NHL players and there is literally no-one that knows their play perfectly.
Indeed.
Not sure. I just used nhl.com/stats, sorted by PPG and filtered by team. Don't know a site you could see all teams at once. Maybe filter with minimun number of games as well to get rid of noise.There’s one.
Is there a site that shows this same comparison for all teams? One that ranks each team’s skaters by PPG?
This should be good - I need to do some of the work myself!Not sure. I just used nhl.com/stats, sorted by PPG and filtered by team. Don't know a site you could see all teams at once. Maybe filter with minimun number of games as well to get rid of noise.
If you could post all the results here it would be awesome. Actually it might be thread worthy. Cumbersome thing, but I for one would appreciate it if you would go through it.This should be good - I need to do some of the work myself!
1. J.T Miller +0.35There’s one.
Is there a site that shows this same comparison for all teams? One that ranks each team’s skaters by PPG?
I'm guessing many posters here also listened to Laine's presser after signing the deal. He did suggest his NHL playoff experience is something he hopes makes him a better player and teammate come future playoff series. His reflection revealed to me he's thinking about his overall game as a professional, and I agree, he's good in the big games and recognizes the importance of improving by being more consistent. I'm excited we get to watch him for the next four seasons.But Laine has been good also on NHL playoffs. Not dominant like on FEL, but winning his game, scoring more than he was scored against, which is the key to success on playoffs.
Thanks jep. That’s a start at what I was looking for.1. J.T Miller +0.35
2. Panarin +0.28 (if you omit Copp with only 18gp)
3.Kane +0.23
4.Laine +0.22
Players with over 20% better ppg than the next best teammate
Miller 39.3%
Laine 28.2%
Panarin 28%
Meier 26.9%
Kane 24.2%
I have the full list too if someone is interested. I'm on my phone right now but I can post it later.Thanks jep. That’s a start at what I was looking for.
I don’t think that one stat is enough to say Laine is elite. Unless we’re saying that Miller and Meier are elite.
I would say to be considered elite on that basis, you would probably have to have more than one season in that fashion. Ironic that it’s practically 100% sure that next season he won’t have that kind of a difference to the next one, and most probably he won't even be the one with the best PPG, but most probably he will still have his most productive season ever, if he can avoid injuries.Thanks jep. That’s a start at what I was looking for.
I don’t think that one stat is enough to say Laine is elite. Unless we’re saying that Miller and Meier are elite.
Would be definitely interesting, so please post it when you can.I have the full list too if someone is interested. I'm on my phone right now but I can post it later.
In terms of playing big games and in high pressure situations it definitely tells something if you’ve succeeded in things like the WJC elimination games, AHL/Liiga/KHL etc. playoffs, or the Memorial Cup for example. Steve Yzerman just said in an interview how beneficial it is for their prospects to get this kind of big games under their belt.World Juniors and World Championships are not the NHL playoffs.
While the WJC may have the best players of that age range, they are just kids.
The quality of play and players that play at the World Championships is also not comparable. Most of the goalies are almost always a clear tier below NHL guys and you have to really think how most NHL guys or guys with contracts treat that tournament. Sure, guys are trying to win, but they are not going 100%, or 110%, like in the NHL playoffs.
Even if he went 50+50 and was the CBJ’s best point producer in the playoffs I’m sure you still would find some advanced metric or something to show how he really was a liability instead.
True, but if you add that he was also winning his game having 25 goals better even strength goal differential than another TOP-6 forward on the team that played least amount of minutes with Laine (now a Seattle Kraken). Combine those two stats, and it's no more a single stat.Thanks jep. That’s a start at what I was looking for.
I don’t think that one stat is enough to say Laine is elite. Unless we’re saying that Miller and Meier are elite.
So will you still hold against him the first injury ridden Columbus season even if he has as good season as last season or an even better season this season? So far I at least suspect that even how good a season he might have, you will be trying to find reasons to make him look bad.It’s the off-season.
Wait until the season start and he actually does something meaningful in worthwhile games.
The last 2 years should be looked at as BOTH in the past, since that’s how Laine (and his fans) think we should look at his seasons when he plays like trash, at the very least they should cancel each other out.
So far he has had 4 and half really good seasons (all of them MUCH better than your favorite player ever had), and 1 and half that were crippled by bad injuries and were just BAD.It’s the off-season.
Wait until the season start and he actually does something meaningful in worthwhile games.
The last 2 years should be looked at as BOTH in the past, since that’s how Laine (and his fans) think we should look at his seasons when he plays like trash, at the very least they should cancel each other out.