Speculation: Laine Mega Thread 3

[Tasteless Beaver]

RNH and a young D for Laine? McDavid and Neal have good chemistry this pre season. Laine gives Drai a trigger man to set up on his own like

You don't have a young D that closes the gap between RNH and Laine.

 

[Snowman]

Since I saw what you thought on what Trouba would get Winnipeg, I don'T really have any faith in your opinion or judgment. You completely devaluated the Trouba situation and you thought you would get top elite players for him.

your thoughts on player are not worth much, and you think Brook is "pile of s*** " yet you have no knowledge in NHL prospects at all, it's infuriating reading you, no team has good prospects except Winnipeg.

I really have any faith in your evaluations if you don't know the difference between Trouba's contract situation and Laine's.

Tying to compare two situations that aren't in any way similar is moronic, and just shows ignorance of the situations on your part.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You need to offer quality instead of a bunch of meh. If you want to have a productive discussion, start from a reasonably fair base. Either Kotkaniemi and your first or Domi and your first.

If you don't want to start with reasonable pieces, then you likely won't receive reasonable replies.

You get offered what you get offered and you have a choice to decline or accept. Calling multiple 1st, Brook, Primeau "meh" is disingenuous. Like I said before... A better answer for you is to say prefer to keep Laine and pay him what he wants... I can respect that kind of answer. However, you can't help yourself and this is clear. In case you have not noticed, not one fan base has offered pieces like Kotkaniemi or Domi. So yeah, I repeat, a better approach in your replies should be you rather keep Laine and pay him. Trolling grade A prospects and 1st round picks will get us know where but an argument.

I respect your position as a Jets fan but I don't think you are respecting the various offers when you call 1st round picks, Brook, and Primeau "meh". You are not the Laine thread police where you can tell others to stop making offers. Habs will continue to engage until Laine is either traded or you re-sign him.

I forwarded that 3 way trade offer to a friend of mine who is a Leafs fan cause I was curious about what he thought... He hates the Habs and said we are overpaying. So go figure eh.

 

[cneely]

Wonder if the Habs, Sabres, and Jets can work out a 3 way trade? Laine vs Drouin+ vs Ristolainen+

Jets Trade / Acquire:
Laine
For
Ristolainen, Brook, Sabres 2020 1st, Habs 2021 1st

Habs Trade / Acquire:
Drouin, 2021 1st, Brook, Primeau, 2020 2nd
for
Laine

Sabres Trade / Acquire:
Ristolainen, 2020 1st
for
Drouin, Primeau, 2020 2nd

Something tells the majority of comments are going to try to say 1st round and 2nd round picks as well as Brook and Primeau are spare parts. . Anyway, hit me with what you got but I think the value is there for each team +/- and it does address each teams needs. You don't have to like it but it's an idea that can be negotiated and some parts moved here and there.

Why would Buffalo do that? Risto for Drouin and a 2nd might be close, so then it's Primeau for a first?
The other pieces seem pretty reasonable IMO

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really have any faith in your evaluations if you don't know the difference between Trouba's contract situation and Laine's.

Tying to compare two situations that aren't in any way similar is moronic, and just shows ignorance of the situations on your part.

Well, the truth is you were asking for too much for Trouba and I'm sure you knew the circumstance. I think you should get a high return for Laine but the 1/1 player you want does not appear to be on the table from any team. So why don't you focus on keeping him and paying him instead? Why is your narrative all about trolling the values on grade A prospects and 1st round picks? It's weird.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I really have any faith in your evaluations if you don't know the difference between Trouba's contract situation and Laine's.

Tying to compare two situations that aren't in any way similar is moronic, and just shows ignorance of the situations on your part.

im not comparing them, im saying you have a shit knowledge on prospects and you just shutdown everyone because you think Winnipeg players are over the top. Your Trouba's perceived value was terrible knowledge wise.

when I see someone saying " pile of shit" on Primeau, Brook and other top 50 prospects I just laugh at you. Terrible, terrible knowledge

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

You don't have a young D that closes the gap between RNH and Laine.

REally ?

Bouchard/Broberg + Nugget wouldn't get you Laine ?


Give your head a shake, the perceived value of Laine is ridiculous.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would Buffalo do that? Risto for Drouin and a 2nd might be close, so then it's Primeau for a first?
The other pieces seem pretty reasonable IMO

I was waiting for a Sabres angle reply and I think your comments are fair.

Ristolainen vs Drouin and a 2nd: I would say it's close one way or another

1st vs Primeau: Another close one but it's hard to predict how good Primeau will be and what kind of 1st that will be. I would say Primeau is a grade A prospect though or fringe grade A at this point. The kid has great mobility and has done well every level including the WJC with the US last year. He also played well in pre-season so he is trending in the right direction in terms of meeting his ceiling level. The only reason why I am willing to trade Primeau is we have Price for another 7 years. Lots of Habs fans say we should keep Primeau

It's close and if they want another grade B piece to even it out, we can certainly do that. Comes down to how the Sabres feel Drouin would play with Eichel? Looks like they can use some help on wing and Drouin can play both sides.

 

[Snowman]

You get offered what you get offered and you have a choice to decline or accept. Calling multiple 1st, Brook, Primeau "meh" is disingenuous. Like I said before... A better answer for you is to say prefer to keep Laine and pay him what he wants... I can respect that kind of answer. However, you can't help yourself and this is clear. In case you have not noticed, not one fan base has offered pieces like Kotkaniemi or Domi. So yeah, I repeat, a better approach in your replies should be you rather keep Laine and pay him. Trolling grade A prospects and 1st round picks will get us know where but an argument.

I respect your position as a Jets fan but I don't think you are respecting the various offers when you call 1st round picks, Brook, and Primeau "meh". You are not the Laine thread police where you can tell others to stop making offers. Habs will continue to engage until Laine is either traded or you re-sign him.

I forwarded that 3 way trade offer to a friend of mine who is a Leafs fan cause I was curious about what he thought... He hates the Habs and said we are overpaying. So go figure eh.

A Leafs fan said that, surprise, surprise.

Yet you haven't had one Jet fan or one neutral fan, say any of your proposals are close. As I said earlier, even posters on your own board want you to stop embarrassing them with terrible offers. I mean you thought Weber was a good starting point.

When you aren't starting with an acceptable main piece, the add ons become pretty meh and uninteresting immediately.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

REally ?

Bouchard/Broberg + Nugget wouldn't get you Laine ?


Give your head a shake, the perceived value of Laine is ridiculous.

Yes, you definitely don't seem like you would be biased at all.

Trading Laine now would be dumb and it's not going to happen, Jets management and fans won't want to sell low on someone who scored 44 goals and finished 2nd in the league in scoring as a 19 year old, and other teams fans/management won't want to pay up the price that the Jets will want. The chances of any Jets fan agreeing to solid but not elite prospects and mid first round picks for Laine are slim to none. You don't sell off what could be an incredibly high end asset for non high end pieces.

All signs point to a bridge deal and re-evaluate after that.

 

[Atoyot]

You get offered what you get offered and you have a choice to decline or accept. Calling multiple 1st, Brook, Primeau "meh" is disingenuous. Like I said before... A better answer for you is to say prefer to keep Laine and pay him what he wants... I can respect that kind of answer. However, you can't help yourself and this is clear. In case you have not noticed, not one fan base has offered pieces like Kotkaniemi or Domi. So yeah, I repeat, a better approach in your replies should be you rather keep Laine and pay him. Trolling grade A prospects and 1st round picks will get us know where but an argument.

I respect your position as a Jets fan but I don't think you are respecting the various offers when you call 1st round picks, Brook, and Primeau "meh". You are not the Laine thread police where you can tell others to stop making offers. Habs will continue to engage until Laine is either traded or you re-sign him.

I forwarded that 3 way trade offer to a friend of mine who is a Leafs fan cause I was curious about what he thought... He hates the Habs and said we are overpaying. So go figure eh.

I'm not going to get into this too much, but one thing I'll say is that every time I've watched Brook play he has been a disaster in his own zone. Like not just kind of bad, a downright trainwreck.

 

[Snowman]

Well, the truth is you were asking for too much for Trouba and I'm sure you knew the circumstance. I think you should get a high return for Laine but the 1/1 player you want does not appear to be on the table from any team. So why don't you focus on keeping him and paying him instead? Why is your narrative all about trolling the values on grade A prospects and 1st round picks? It's weird.

Well the truth is the Trouba and Laine situations are nothing alike. If you really believe Trouba would not have got more if he didn't refuse to only sign an extension with one team, then it is pretty clear you lack even the most basic skills of evaluating player value. Which is likely why your proposals are are so lopsided in Montreal's favour every single time.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Because so did Laine. Drouin outproduced Laine last year, so yeah, adding a first who could be a top 10 pick if Price gets injured alongside Caufield on top of a guy who outproduced the player you’re trying to acquire is not good asset management.

Then please stop taking about a acquiring the player. Trade proposals of 2 wingers and a pick for Laine are pointless because the Jets don’t need wingers.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Then please stop taking about a acquiring the player. Trade proposals of 2 wingers and a pick for Laine are pointless because the Jets don’t need wingers.

I’ve been pretty vocal in the past two weeks that I am not interested in Laine. He’s just a younger/bit more skilled version of Drouin.

I just don’t like the style they play.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I’m sorry that I don’t agree with your statement that it would be an easy trade for Montreal. I’m just not willing to give up a top 6 forward, a blue chip prospect and a first round pick for Laine.

I would do that trade for a guy like Tkachuk. Laine? Never. 1) I’m not a fan of his style of play and 2) he has too many holes and flaws in his game.

Then why have you posted 300 times in this thread. If Laine isn’t your kind of player how could you possibly have this much time to discuss a trade that is never going to happen?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I've watched Brook play he has been a disaster in his own zone. Like not just kind of bad, a downright trainwreck.

did you even watch 1 game from the pre-season ? lmao

 

[Snowman]

im not comparing them, im saying you have a **** knowledge on prospects and you just shutdown everyone because you think Winnipeg players are over the top. Your Trouba's perceived value was terrible knowledge wise.

when I see someone saying " pile of ****" on Primeau, Brook and other top 50 prospects I just laugh at you. Terrible, terrible knowledge

Okay so you're doubling down on your ignorance. When someone tries to say a goalie prospect that the Jets have no need of, a 1st and a good defensive prospect is a fair proposal for an elite goal scoring winger it just shows the can't be objective and that they lack hockey knowledge. No team would make a silly trade like that.

If it makes you feel better, those prospects are only meh pieces in the context of the Laine trade proposed. There is nothing in that offer from Montreal that even makes the Jets give it a second thought.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A Leafs fan said that, surprise, surprise.

Yet you haven't had one Jet fan or one neutral fan, say any of your proposals are close. As I said earlier, even posters on your own board want you to stop embarrassing them with terrible offers. I mean you thought Weber was a good starting point.

When you aren't starting with an acceptable main piece, the add ons become pretty meh and uninteresting immediately.

Well, "A Leafs fan" is more likely to back up Laine's value more than what the Habs are providing so it was a surprise to me when he said the Habs were giving up too much. He said Laine is a talented goal scorer but too one dimensional. Not the first time we have heard this right? But hey, I still am interested cause the Habs need goal scoring talent.

I do think Weber with retention and a 1st added is a good offer. You can troll that return if you wish, I don't care. I have provided various packages that have lots of value for each team.

Patch < Laine but the return we got was Tatar, Suzuki, 2nd. You would of called Suzuki and a 2nd "meh" which is a joke and you should be embarrassed to say 1st/2nd round picks and Brook/Primeau is "Meh".

Habs can say Domi and Kotkaniemi are not on the table and you can say Laine is going to stay with the Jets then. However, Trolling grade A prospects and 1st/2nd round pick in terms of value does not make you look good. I can't be anymore clear about this

 

[Atoyot]

did you even watch 1 game from the pre-season ? lmao

I've caught a few, yes, also the rookie tournament.
If that makes you laugh your ass off then you lead a blessed life. Imagine laughing all the time at every little thing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well the truth is the Trouba and Laine situations are nothing alike. If you really believe Trouba would not have got more if he didn't refuse to only sign an extension with one team, then it is pretty clear you lack even the most basic skills of evaluating player value. Which is likely why your proposals are are so lopsided in Montreal's favour every single time.

The Trouba and Laine situations are similar in terms of evaluating your opinion on what you should get in return. You asked for the sky with Trouba and you were way off. So does this mean you are way off with Laine? In your head, the answer is no and you don't consider the possibility you are wrong again.

 

[Snowman]

Well, "A Leafs fan" is more likely to back up Laine's value more than what the Habs are providing so it was a surprise to me when he said the Habs were giving up too much. He said Laine is a talented goal scorer but too one dimensional. Not the first time we have heard this right? But hey, I still am interested cause the Habs need goal scoring talent.

I do think Weber with retention and a 1st added is a good offer. You can troll that return if you wish, I don't care. I have provided various packages that have lots of value for each team.

Patch < Laine but the return we got was Tatar, Suzuki, 2nd. You would of called Suzuki and a 2nd "meh" which is a joke and you should be embarrassed to say 1st/2nd round picks and Brook/Primeau is "Meh".

Habs can say Domi and Kotkaniemi are not on the table and you can say Laine is going to stay with the Jets then. However, Trolling grade A prospects and 1st/2nd round pick in terms of value does not make you look good. I can't be anymore clear about this

When a prospect isn't needed by a team, like Primeau isn't needed by the Jets, his value to the trade immediately drops. Brook is a nice prospect but even with the 1st attached isn't enough to get talks going unless one of Kotkaniemi or Domi are added.

If you don't want to lose one of those two, move on as every Jet fan has said without one of those two plus adds. You are dead in the water.

There, that should be pretty clear.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Habs could give him 8 years at $9M - $10M range. Or a shorter team at $7M. We have the cap space and we need a goal scorer on our PP.

7 years is the maximum term you would be allowed to sign him to if you acquired his rights. Laine isn't signing long term for 9m. I'm sure he sees a path to a higher contract in a couple of years.

 

[Snowman]

The Trouba and Laine situations are similar in terms of evaluating your opinion on what you should get in return. You asked for the sky with Trouba and you were way off. So does this mean you are way off with Laine? In your head, the answer is no and you don't consider the possibility you are wrong again.

So you're showing your ignorance of contract statuses and how they affect player values?

The returns asked or expected in the two situations can't be compared. It just shows you have no idea on player values and how contract statuses affect them.

No wonder you thought Weber could be a main piece.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Then why have you posted 300 times in this thread. If Laine isn’t your kind of player how could you possibly have this much time to discuss a trade that is never going to happen?

Because it’s the offseason and it’s the hottest topic right now. There’s just nothing else to talk about.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not going to get into this too much, but one thing I'll say is that every time I've watched Brook play he has been a disaster in his own zone. Like not just kind of bad, a downright trainwreck.

A good measure on how good the Grade A prospect (Brook) is the WJC. He didn't get as much opportunity as Bouchard and looked just as good. Better skater and edge work as well. Remember, this is the best 17-19 year olds in the world. Did Brook stand out? Not really but was he a disaster in his own zone? It's the opposite from what I have seen and he got little to no PP time so we don't have a offensive measure to look at. He did dominate the WHL last year though.

What you have to realize is Habs fans are extremely hard on our prospects and there is literally nobody saying Brook is a bust. That is telling to me cause our fan base don't always get along. He is a grade A prospect who is trending very well and the only question mark is if he is top pairing or top 4D at this point. It would take a massive derail for him to bust towards bottom pairing or no NHL at all.