Speculation: Laine, Connor, Trouba...Who stays and at what cost?

[BatVader]

and your reasons are???

Says it right in my post

 

[wintersej]

He's an RFA at the end of this season and will be traded as such. He's one year away from UFA if the team he gets traded to decides to sign him to a 1 year contract.

To claim he has the same value as a rental is completely disingenuous.

No, no it's not.

How many years of control does he have?

One year. Thats a rental.

 

[Snowman]

I will go on record saying the Jets won't get a Kadri, Gardiner, and a conditional 1st return for Trouba....let alone a better one.

Having Kadri locked in for 3 more years at $4.5 million for the Jets would be a huge win for them. Gardiner replaces Trouba for this year...certainly not as good...but you added a huge upgrade at C locked in for below market value for 4 playoff runs.

We'll have to agree to disagree there. I don't see Kadri as a huge upgrade on Little, as I don't see him as a fit on our second line. Also, he definitely won't beat out Lowry as our shut down center. As for Gardiner, he's UFA, so we can just sign him if we want him, no need to trade for him.

Just not enough there to make me consider moving a top pair RHD.

 

[RogerRoger]

He's an RFA at the end of this season and will be traded as such. He's one year away from UFA if the team he gets traded to decides to sign him to a 1 year contract.

To claim he has the same value as a rental is completely disingenuous.

It's not disingenuous. He's arbitration eligible, so the team has only one season of control.
It's the same as trading for a player with one year left on his contract because that's as much assurance as you have that Trouba will be on your team.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

It's not disingenuous. He's arbitration eligible, so the team has only one season of control.
It's the same as trading for a player with one year left on his contract because that's as much assurance as you have that Trouba will be on your team.

Do you not think that a team trading for him will have contract talks before hand? Being one year away from UFA and being one year away from RFA are totally different scenarios. Sure he could go to arbitration. He could also retire. The team he gets traded to would surely do their due diligence before hand.

There is a massive difference between "The team has one year of control" and "If this particular scenario happens, the team has one year of control."

 

[GoJetsGo55]

No, no it's not.

How many years of control does he have?

One year. Thats a rental.

Nonsense. If he's being traded, he's being signed to more than 1 year.

 

[RogerRoger]

Do you not think that a team trading for him will have contract talks before hand? Being one year away from UFA and being one year away from RFA are totally different scenarios. Sure he could go to arbitration. He could also retire. The team he gets traded to would surely do their due diligence before hand.

There is a massive difference between "The team has one year of control" and "If this particular scenario happens, the team has one year of control."

There is none since the team only has one year of control.
You are basically saying that any player with one year left on their contract is a long term asset since they could be signed long-term and that's disingenuous.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

There is none since the team only has one year of control.
You are basically saying that any player with one year left on their contract is a long term asset since they could be signed long-term and that's disingenuous.

The person on a one year contract is locked into a contract for one year.

An RFA is locked into zero years and will more than likely negotiate a contract.

If the fact that he CAN take it to arbitration means that he absolutely will, then we should start treating all RFA players like 3 year rentals.

Again, this whole premise started with someone trying to trade UFA rights as a valuable asset....that's ZERO years.

 

[Torontoborn]

Says it right in my post

LOL he's a weasel that's your reason?? Yup, he gets under the players skin, forces penalties and will score you 30 goals a year. Jets fans would love him but it's ok keep Laine who will take you to the bank for being one dimensional.

 

[RogerRoger]

The person on a one year contract is locked into a contract for one year.
An RFA is locked into zero years and will more than likely negotiate a contract.
If the fact that he CAN take it to arbitration means that he absolutely will, then we should start treating all RFA players like 3 year rentals.
Again, this whole premise started with someone trying to trade UFA rights as a valuable asset....that's ZERO years.

A RFA like Trouba is locked into one year (unless the team decides they don't want that year) and could opt to be locked up long term, just like any player on the last year of their contract.

When have they not been treated like that? Plus, we should look at Trouba's contract negotiation history to inform us of what he wants. He's making all the right move to hit UFA as young as he can.

Another poster making a ridiculous trade offer doesn't change the fact that you are wrong about this.

 

[Hunter368]

LOL he's a weasel that's your reason?? Yup, he gets under the players skin, forces penalties and will score you 30 goals a year. Jets fans would love him but it's ok keep Laine who will take you to the bank for being one dimensional.

Kadri is a fine player, but I agree with Bat he’s not a great fit on the Jets as a 2C.....chemistry wouldn’t fit. This has nothing to do with him being a pest, he’s just not a good fit as our 2C.....chemistry wise

 

[loki2185]

I say laine and connor stay. doesnt trouba want out

 

[GoJetsGo55]

A RFA like Trouba is locked into one year (unless the team decides they don't want that year) and could opt to be locked up long term, just like any player on the last year of their contract.

When have they not been treated like that? Plus, we should look at Trouba's contract negotiation history to inform us of what he wants. He's making all the right move to hit UFA as young as he can.

Another poster making a ridiculous trade offer doesn't change the fact that you are wrong about this.

He is locked into one year if he decided to go to arbitration. It's all mute in the end because Trouba is not being traded without a contract being negotiated before hand.

If you think we are going to value him as a UFA in a trade then I will just continue to shake my head.

Surely you must agree that contract negotiations in the offseason are a lot different than they are mid-to-late season when a player is a few months away from hitting the open market.

 

[Torontoborn]

Kadri is a fine player, but I agree with Bat he’s not a great fit on the Jets as a 2C.....chemistry wouldn’t fit. This has nothing to do with him being a pest, he’s just not a good fit as our 2C.....chemistry wise

That's a valid point but stating he's a weasel as the reason someone doesn't want someone on their team isn't a true hockey fan.

 

[BatVader]

That's a valid point but stating he's a weasel as the reason someone doesn't want someone on their team isn't a true hockey fan.

First, I don’t need to explain or justify my opinion to you or anyone.
Secondly, I could care less what you think, want, or like.
Third, as far as you getting a point that “you” consider valid, all i can say is “what ever helps you sleep at night.”
And last, I’ve been watching hockey a long time and don’t need you validation on whether or not I’m a “true” fan or not.

 

[Hunter368]

That's a valid point but stating he's a weasel as the reason someone doesn't want someone on their team isn't a true hockey fan.

Some fans don’t like the Brad Marchand and Kadri’s of the world.....their from the same pest mould.....I don’t mind pests

 

[BatVader]

Some fans don’t like the Brad Marchand and Kadri’s of the world.....their from the same pest mould.....I don’t mind pests

They have no place in the sport, or should have no place in the sport, as obviously they are there and for some reason coveted by some.

 

[wintersej]

Nonsense. If he's being traded, he's being signed to more than 1 year.

At UFA prices. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. He has limited team control. Meaning that even if (as you rightfully assume) a team dealing for him is doing it with the idea of re-signing him, they are doing so at UFA prices. Which means the return in draft or player capital going back in a deal will be way less than is in your head.

 

[Peggy]

Market has seemingly changed a lot in the last year or so with top young RFA's. I could see him signing around the 7 million mark for slightly less then max term. Say a 7x6 deal in and around there with it pushing to 8x8 for a max term. Going to be an interesting off season for a lot of teams though with all this young talent needing new contracts.

Connor isn't worth 8 for 8 if wheelers is worth 6 for 7
I would offer connor something similar
6.5-7 for 7 or 8 years

 

[GoJetsGo55]

At UFA prices. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. He has limited team control. Meaning that even if (as you rightfully assume) a team dealing for him is doing it with the idea of re-signing him, they are doing so at UFA prices. Which means the return in draft or player capital going back in a deal will be way less than is in your head.

Heard that one before.

It's always the justification used to try and trade pennies for a dollar.

 

[RogerRoger]

He is locked into one year if he decided to go to arbitration. It's all mute in the end because Trouba is not being traded without a contract being negotiated before hand.

If you think we are going to value him as a UFA in a trade then I will just continue to shake my head.

Surely you must agree that contract negotiations in the offseason are a lot different than they are mid-to-late season when a player is a few months away from hitting the open market.

I assume Trouba's ask will be known publicly and anyone trying to get him will be well aware of his demand for a 7.5M long-term deal (or so)
I never said to value him like a UFA, but like someone with one more year on his contract.
Yeah, they are.

 

[Torontoborn]

Some fans don’t like the Brad Marchand and Kadri’s of the world.....their from the same pest mould.....I don’t mind pests

I hate Marchi too but would love him on my Leafs. He has skill beyond belief.

 

[Hunter368]

They have no place in the sport, or should have no place in the sport, as obviously they are there and for some reason coveted by some.

Some don’t like it, I respect their opinion but I have no issues with it as long as it doesn’t lead to dangerous plays

 

[wintersej]

Heard that one before.

It's always the justification used to try and trade pennies for a dollar.

I'm from a fan base that has less than zero interest in Trouba.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

Cause he's a one trick pony who has become increasingly reliant on the PP to score because teams have adjusted to him, that's why.

JVR got $7m for being a one trick pony. If you do one thing better then everybody else then your going to get paid big time.