Rumor: Kyper: Dermott and Holl available for a trade

[fahad203]

Personally I'm a huge fan of Rubins, and there's a decent chance he's ready, too.

You called it Zeke. Rubins' been called up
Well done

 

[Metroid]

Call me crazy, but I prefer Kerfoot's 6pts in 7 playoff games over McCann's 7 points in 8 regular season games.

Could McCann be better this year? For sure, but Kerfoot just came off of a series where he raised his game significantly. McCann's most recent playoff series resulted in 1pt in 6 games. So I'm not going to say I prefer McCann because he had a good offensive start to the season.

all of a sudden said poster cares about regular season stats, when complaining about how regular season doesn't matter with this squad anymore... kinda funny.

 

[Metroid]

how about marner ? why he is safe ?

try to keep up. this is a post about D being potentially available

 

[glue]

K, this now makes a bit more sense..

Why the Maple Leafs are shopping right-side defencemen

 

[ToneDog]

No, it doesn't clear things up.

Kerfoot off the team is a net benefit. And Dermott I wouldn't have cared about either.

I personally would rather have McCann's 7 points in 8 games than any of Kerfoot, Dermott, or Holl.

Like I said, it made absolutely no sense at the time and it still doesn't.

Doubt Holl gets you anything close to McCann today.

 

[LeafSteel]

The Weegar trade was the other way around I believe.....Fla said no.

Could be, but if that was the basis to talk I would have no issue with Dubas adding to flesh it out.

Remember, this was before Weegar breaking out. No way that gets done now, I know.

Just lamenting the opportunity lost….

 

[justashadowof]

K, this now makes a bit more sense..

Why the Maple Leafs are shopping right-side defencemen

Didn't make sense to me. Shopping defensemen because a salary crunch is coming when the forward returns. Especially one who asked for a trade and whose contract expires at the end of the season. Seems foolish to me. A subtraction of anyone like Kase, Kampf, Engvall, Ritchie makes more sense as far as I'm concerned. Defense, especially right side defense, is way more precious than support forwards.

 

[LeafSteel]

It's funny because you are actually criticizing Dubas for being the highest bidder for both McCann and Weegar. No GM offered more for them than Dubas did.

Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying here.

Doesn’t any trade get done because the accepting GM likes one offer more than the other?

Based on team need, GMs are prepared to offer more if they are in deeper need, so yeah to get a trade done, if Dubas or any GM has greater need, he offers more to get it done.

Not exactly rocket science here…..

 

[AndyWozniewski]

We shouldn't trade both of them. One injury on D and we're screwed. Who do we have in the AHL that could fill in?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

What would the ask be from Ottawa for Holl?

Besides the obvious guys (U25 roster forwards, C. Brown, Chabot, Zub, Goose, top prospects) I strongly suspect Paul & Holden would not be available.

Assets that would be available that might be appealing: picks outside of the 1st round (maybe but not necessarily excluding Ottawa's 2nd), Z. Sanford, A. Forsberg, Mete, J. Brown, C. Bishop, mid prospects

I could possibly see us retaining on a player, but either way I suspect a pick would need to be the best asset we send out. Only player in that group who is more than a throw-in is Sanford, who has been a good bottom 6er for us.

Thoughts?

 

[Mickey Marner]

What would the ask be from Ottawa for Holl?

Besides the obvious guys (U25 roster forwards, C. Brown, Chabot, Zub, Goose, top prospects) I strongly suspect Paul & Holden would not be available.

Assets that would be available that might be appealing: picks outside of the 1st round (maybe but not necessarily excluding Ottawa's 2nd), Z. Sanford, A. Forsberg, Mete, J. Brown, C. Bishop, mid prospects

I could possibly see us retaining on a player, but either way I suspect a pick would need to be the best asset we send out. Only player in that group who is more than a throw-in is Sanford, who has been a good bottom 6er for us.

Thoughts?

I like Formenton, maybe something around him.

 

[justashadowof]

Liljegren plays well in two games against Detroit and Vegas.

Dubas must have landed on the "YOU'RE RIGHT AGAIN" square.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I like Formenton, maybe something around him.

He'd fall under U25 roster forward. Sens would likely value him around a mid-late 1st, or Brannstrom, or something along those lines.

 

[ottomaddox]

We shouldn't trade both of them. One injury on D and we're screwed. Who do we have in the AHL that could fill in?

Rubins, Minell, Topi, etc.

 

[VanW27]

What would the ask be from Ottawa for Holl?

Besides the obvious guys (U25 roster forwards, C. Brown, Chabot, Zub, Goose, top prospects) I strongly suspect Paul & Holden would not be available.

Assets that would be available that might be appealing: picks outside of the 1st round (maybe but not necessarily excluding Ottawa's 2nd), Z. Sanford, A. Forsberg, Mete, J. Brown, C. Bishop, mid prospects

I could possibly see us retaining on a player, but either way I suspect a pick would need to be the best asset we send out. Only player in that group who is more than a throw-in is Sanford, who has been a good bottom 6er for us.

Thoughts?

The Blues traded Sanford for a guy they waived, and who cleared, a week later. He has no value

 

[kb]

Liljegren plays well in two games against Detroit and Vegas.

Dubas must have landed on "YOU'RE RIGHT AGAIN" square.

Liljegren's been ready. What does this have to do with Dubas?

Weird how like so many posters can't contain themselves and must have Dubas living rent free in their head 24/7 because he's not failing.

 

[robertmac43]

Did Holl ever go south quick!? I was one to defend the choice of protecting him this summer. I liked the D-depth and didn't want to mess with it, plus the market was crazy at the time.... My goodness would I change how that went down this past summer.


Edit: I'm still one that hopes Holl can turn this around. I will always be a fan of his!

 

[justashadowof]

Liljegren's been ready. What does this have to do with Dubas?

Weird how like so many posters can't contain themselves and must have Dubas living rent free in their head 24/7 because he's not failing.

Who'll be the 3rd right side defenseman?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

The Blues traded Sanford for a guy they waived, and who cleared, a week later. He has no value

Nope. The Blues traded Sanford for what is looking like a high 4th (partially due to a cap crunch).

Sanford with retention would have value of at least a high 4th, if not a 3rd.

 

[justashadowof]

Even struggling Holl is worth more than a mid round pick. RHD with 20 min/night NHL experience are market rarities.

 

[djdev]

rubins is pretty good. he's big and strong, can skate a bit and has SOME offensive potential.
i think they realize they are missing the bogo like dman this year and rubins can fit that mold more than dermott and holl who are often overwhelmed with a strong forecheck.
in reality i couldnt care less if we lose both(although i think they are shopping just one of them) and i think rubins isnt much of a downgrade currently and has the chance to be a type of dman we need more than the other 2.

 

[Notsince67]

We shouldn't trade both of them. One injury on D and we're screwed. Who do we have in the AHL that could fill in?

Mennel

 

[Lil Tuzzi Bert]

Nope. The Blues traded Sanford for what is looking like a high 4th (partially due to a cap crunch).

Sanford with retention would have value of at least a high 4th, if not a 3rd.

Regardless he's not of interest for those two

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Regardless he's not of interest for those two

Totally fair, I said as much that he'd at most be a completementary piece. Those other guys would be pure throw ins and not effect the draft pick, whereas Sanford with retention probably would - say, as the difference between returning OTT 3rd vs BOS 3rd. But that's the extent of it.

 

[Mickey Marner]

He'd fall under U25 roster forward. Sens would likely value him around a mid-late 1st, or Brannstrom, or something along those lines.

I saw that, but you're excluding over half your roster and making mostly depth defensemen and picks available.

The Leafs are likely looking for more of a Bear for Foegle trade, rather than just trying to liquidate Holl/Dermott.