Rumor: Kyper: Dermott and Holl available for a trade

[AvroArrow]

Who the hell in their right mind would want Holl ? Maybe try sending him to Buffalo as long as Adams still has a job there.

 

[zeke]

The relieve the impending roster crunch when Mikky comes back, the bewt trade would likely be a 1D + 2F for 1F package deal. Perhaps looking at a more expensive forward sOMEhere that might be an impending UFA.

 

[AvroArrow]

I understand the whole McCann thing even less now. And I didn't think that was possible.

Yup..Kept Kerfoot and Holl over him.

 

[zeke]

Makes no sense to me, our D depth is pretty poor with only Biega in the minors who's remotely capable of coming up and playing at something of an NHL level. We have 7 NHL Dmen, 8 if you include Biega, you're really streatching it if you include guys like Kral and Rubins.

Personally I'm a huge fan of Rubins, and there's a decent chance he's ready, too.

 

[ottomaddox]

I think if they move one the Leafs better hope there's no injuries on the blueline.

I get that if Dubas feels he has a surplus and wants to give that 7th d-man a chance to play elsewhere, but don't do so at the risk of handicapping your own team during a(nother) critical season for this group.

If injuries add up in the d-core getting a #6 defenseman doesn't cost a whole lot. I would imagine (like Hutton) a 5th round pick could take care of it.

 

[ACC1224]

Yup..Kept Kerfoot and Holl over him.

Wasn't Kerfoot exposed?

 

[AvroArrow]

Wasn't Kerfoot exposed?

Oh shit you're right, I must've gotten mixed up with someone else.

 

[aingefan]

Personally I'm a huge fan of Rubins, and there's a decent chance he's ready, too.

He’s been steeping for a few years.

 

[kb]

Yup..Kept Kerfoot and Holl over him.

No, they didn't.

 

[Buds17]

Also a real chance that some media pundits just ran with this story since Holl has been healthy scratched for a few games.

A little reactionary to be looking to move Holl after 10 games when management had him penciled in as part of our shutdown pairing. However, most fans would agree that Muzzin carried that pairing the majority of the time (except the first 20 games of the season last year).

Holl dropping from top four to healthy scratch isn't insignificant though. Dermott is playing in more games now but isn't really playing all that much in terms of minutes per game. Rubins has been recalled from the Marlies. I can see how this all adds up to...something.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Leaving a middle 6 replaceable forward available while keeping your D?

Conceptually it's not hard. At the end of the day, Seattle had their choice (not the Leafs choice) of Kerfoot, McCann, and Dermott.

Seattle chose McCann. Every team loses a player - every single one. Odds are it will either be the teams 5th best forward, or their 4th best D, or their #2 G.

Hope this helps clear things up.

No, it doesn't clear things up.

Kerfoot off the team is a net benefit. And Dermott I wouldn't have cared about either.

I personally would rather have McCann's 7 points in 8 games than any of Kerfoot, Dermott, or Holl.

Like I said, it made absolutely no sense at the time and it still doesn't.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Wasn't Kerfoot exposed?

Not really. Because nobody on the planet would have taken Kerfoot over McCann.

 

[LeafSteel]

I understand the whole McCann thing even less now. And I didn't think that was possible.

That, and the whole Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar thing are 2 scenarios I sure would like to revisit because it looks like we are going to come out of both scenarios on the wrong side.

not every trade needs to be blockbuster or a decisive win for Dubas but losing in scenarios like these add up ……

 

[kb]

No, it doesn't clear things up.

Kerfoot off the team is a net benefit. And Dermott I wouldn't have cared about either.

I personally would rather have McCann's 7 points in 8 games than any of Kerfoot, Dermott, or Holl.

Like I said, it made absolutely no sense at the time and it still doesn't.

It's because because McCann is playing more and higher up the lineup than he ever would have here.

Now check his defensive stats.

 

[zeke]

That, and the whole Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar thing are 2 scenarios I sure would like to revisit because it looks like we are going to come out of both scenarios on the wrong side.

not every trade needs to be blockbuster or a decisive win for Dubas but losing in scenarios like these add up ……

It's funny because you are actually criticizing Dubas for being the highest bidder for both McCann and Weegar. No GM offered more for them than Dubas did.

 

[kb]

That, and the whole Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar thing are 2 scenarios I sure would like to revisit because it looks like we are going to come out of both scenarios on the wrong side.

not every trade needs to be blockbuster or a decisive win for Dubas but losing in scenarios like these add up ……

The Weegar trade was the other way around I believe.....Fla said no.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

It's because because McCann is playing more and higher up the lineup than he ever would have here.

Now check his defensive stats.

Should have gone 7-3-1 and protected McCann and not cared if Holl/Dermott were selected.

McCann would likely have started at Richie's position on the top line.

 

[ottomaddox]

I'm choosing not to believe these rumors - nothing comes out of that Leafs camp, they are so tight lipped.

Why would they be moving off of a decent Dman or two? You don't just blow a hole in your depth, just because 1 or 2 guys aren't getting the ice time you expected them to get.

Because as a GM you have to sometimes let go of players in order to fill the greater needs of the team. For example Bunting, Kerfoot, and Ritchie are not exactly your ideal Left wing depth for a contending team. You can't tell me that Mikheyev's return will fix all that.

 

[IPS]

Dubas' goal at the expansion draft was to protect both Holl and Kerfoot.

If he didn't care about Kerfoot - he could have just protected his 4-4-2 without acquring McCann.

He acquired McCann as a protection plan for Kerfoot - and it sounded like they wanted to protect Holl no matter what.

I've believed the whole time that McCann is superior to both Holl and Kerfoot - and I was very irked when the expansion draft played out the way it did.

 

[zeke]

What's interesting is that the Leafs could have kept BOTH Hyman AND McCann just by losing Kerfoot, Ritchie, Holl, and one of Engvall/Kase.

 

[TMLAM34]

McCann would have looked good with Matthews and either Marner or Nylander that’s for sure.

 

[Tak7]

Dubas' goal at the expansion draft was to protect both Holl and Kerfoot.

If he didn't care about Kerfoot - he could have just protected his 4-4-2 without acquring McCann.

He acquired McCann as a protection plan for Kerfoot - and it sounded like they wanted to protect Holl no matter what.

I've believed the whole time that McCann is superior to both Holl and Kerfoot - and I was very irked when the expansion draft played out the way it did.

You weren't the only one.

But Dubas doesn't strike me as someone who makes knee-jerk reactions. Always thinking in the long term. If he wanted to protect Holl at the expansion draft just a few months ago, he's not going to all of a sudden change his mind and trade him now.

 

[tokyoite]

how about marner ? why he is safe ?

 

[Community]

No, it doesn't clear things up.

Kerfoot off the team is a net benefit. And Dermott I wouldn't have cared about either.

I personally would rather have McCann's 7 points in 8 games than any of Kerfoot, Dermott, or Holl.

Like I said, it made absolutely no sense at the time and it still doesn't.

Call me crazy, but I prefer Kerfoot's 6pts in 7 playoff games over McCann's 7 points in 8 regular season games.

Could McCann be better this year? For sure, but Kerfoot just came off of a series where he raised his game significantly. McCann's most recent playoff series resulted in 1pt in 6 games. So I'm not going to say I prefer McCann because he had a good offensive start to the season.

 

[justashadowof]

"I've got my poorest performing defensemen up for trade. I'm looking for a forward with no performance issues in return."

Classic dealing from a place of weakness scenario. Number 1, let's make sure Liljegren's recent commendable play (2 games) continues on more permanently and against better opponents. Secondly, the team needs a 7th defenseman. Is there one at the moment? Thirdly, it's the first 10 games of the NHL season which are notoriously the easiest 10 games of the season and often a place where pretenders look like keepers.


IMO, stand pat for the sake of the future months. The Leafs' defense isn't a place of excessive bodies in 2021-22. Maybe later, even in the season, but this is a place to be too clever for your own good.