Player Discussion: Kevin Shattenkirk

[HoseEmDown]

On the second pair I would expect that guy to have 50 to 55 on this team. I expected Shat to have 35 to 40 about where he is going to be. But as I said I was not a supporter of him being here in the first place so I had low expectations of what he would do and he is right where I thought he would end up. Now in Oct when he got off to a hot start I thought I could have been wrong but like clockwork he settled back I have not looked at it but removing his stats from Oct I doubt he has paced at 30 points since.

In the entire NHL last season just 13 defenders hit 50+ points last year, yet you expected a 2nd pair guy to easily hit 50. You expected a guy with a career high of 45 points, with 26 of those on the PP, to get 50+ while not getting PP1 time. I'm not a Shattenkirk fan as I said when he signed he was getting 50 and that 40 would be the max. But I'm actually surprised by him, offensively it's what I expected but on the defensive side he isn't awful while being more physical than I thought. For the price it's a great deal and he's been mostly better than I thought so I'm happy with it. Expecting a 2nd pair defender to hit 50 points on any team though is a bad idea, need to cut your expectations back.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Not a good game at all for him yesterday. Time to shuffle the pairings? Maybe have him sit one out? Or play him to find his game?

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Not a good game at all for him yesterday. Time to shuffle the pairings? Maybe have him sit one out? Or play him to find his game?

Yeah he was quite sloppy I thought too

 

[Hoek]

Incoming 2 goal game from him next.

 

[DFC]

With Shattenkirk, it's all about the price tag. He's been really good considering what he makes, and, like Hose said, it's not like we're using him in his ideal role. He's a PP specialist who gets very little PP time here, and he was still on pace to hit close to 40 points, while not being a complete disaster in his own end.

I think he's done enough to ensure a payday from some other team, who will put him in more of a position to succeed offensively. Good for him.

 

[Byrddog]

With Shattenkirk, it's all about the price tag. He's been really good considering what he makes, and, like Hose said, it's not like we're using him in his ideal role. He's a PP specialist who gets very little PP time here, and he was still on pace to hit close to 40 points, while not being a complete disaster in his own end.

I think he's done enough to ensure a payday from some other team, who will put him in more of a position to succeed offensively. Good for him.

Thank God. I have dispised him since his early Blues days I will be glad he is gone. I do not like BoGo either but I would take him over a guy that has turned it on for one year to get a big contract and he WILL lay down again thats why he was bought out before. The Blues moved him the same year they gave him the 4 year deal at the deadline to the Caps who caught the rangers with there drawers down and moved him and after two years could not justify 6.6 mil contract. Now was it a good move to give him a rehab contract here sure was you got the best he has for a year for peanuts. But honestly he was not going to have 40 points here in the regular season and he has not looked good in the last three games. There is a Foote waiting for a cost controled chance and three veterans on the team not that can play 3rd pair as well with Sergi and Cirelli to sign there is no room for this dud at an increase.

 

[Sky04]

With Shattenkirk, it's all about the price tag. He's been really good considering what he makes, and, like Hose said, it's not like we're using him in his ideal role. He's a PP specialist who gets very little PP time here, and he was still on pace to hit close to 40 points, while not being a complete disaster in his own end.

I think he's done enough to ensure a payday from some other team, who will put him in more of a position to succeed offensively. Good for him.

I disagree, haven't seen anything from him that says another team will give him a payday. He was averaging 18mins a game this year which is the same as he while playing in NY with significantly reduced responsibilities playing behind/with some elite defenseman in Hedman and McDonagh. Teams don't pay 4m+ for PP specialists and they certainly don't for a guy with 8 power play points on the year. I'm not sure why people think we didn't give him fair opportunity on the PP, he's not a 1st unit PP guy anymore, you'll be hard pressed to find teams in the league where he does fit on a #1 PP and if you do they obviously lack offensive tools which will hurt his PP production anyways, see his time on NY as an example.

I think the only way Shattenkirk stays in the league now is if he keeps taking these value deals to get on teams. He was playing beside Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev for the majority of his ice time, he won't have that luxury elsewhere and be pretty exposed.

 

[DFC]

I disagree, haven't seen anything from him that says another team will give him a payday. He was averaging 18mins a game this year which is the same as he while playing in NY with significantly reduced responsibilities playing behind/with some elite defenseman in Hedman and McDonagh. Teams don't pay 4m+ for PP specialists and they certainly don't for a guy with 8 power play points on the year. I'm not sure why people think we didn't give him fair opportunity on the PP, he's not a 1st unit PP guy anymore, you'll be hard pressed to find teams in the league where he does fit on a #1 PP and if you do they obviously lack offensive tools which will hurt his PP production anyways, see his time on NY as an example.

I think the only way Shattenkirk stays in the league now is if he keeps taking these value deals to get on teams. He was playing beside Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev for the majority of his ice time, he won't have that luxury elsewhere and be pretty exposed.

I think he'll get at least 4m, even with a stagnant cap.

 

[Sky04]

I think he'll get at least 4m, even with a stagnant cap.

For a #4/5 2nd PP guy? Most teams will find better value in the pipes, I'll say he gets another <3m contract somewhere else.

 

[JoVel]

For a #4/5 2nd PP guy? Most teams will find better value in the pipes, I'll say he gets another <3m contract somewhere else.

Free agency can make GM's go nuts. Some goofs will look at a ~40 point RHD without any context and start a bidding war.

 

[DFC]

For a #4/5 2nd PP guy? Most teams will find better value in the pipes, I'll say he gets another <3m contract somewhere else.

40ish points without any real PP time. I think that will get him a solid deal someplace where the PP is struggling.

 

[Sky04]

40ish points without any real PP time. I think that will get him a solid deal someplace where the PP is struggling.

3rd most PP time among defenseman on our team, and average for a 2nd unit PP defenseman which is what he is... he played double the amount of PP time in NY manning their 1st unit and only 7 power play points that year.

Even if he does inflate his PP scoring, is his next team going to have the talent work with for his ES production? Doubtful, especially at 4m.

 

[DFC]

3rd most PP time among defenseman on our team, and average for a 2nd unit PP defenseman which is what he is... he played double the amount of PP time in NY manning their 1st unit and only 7 power play points that year.

Even if he does inflate his PP scoring, is his next team going to have the talent work with for his ES production? Doubtful, especially at 4m.

That's still a big difference from being on a 1st unit, which I think would be the plan of any team signing him. I know it didn't work out in NY, but I don't see that holding him under 4m.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Don’t forget he didn’t produce much in the second half of the shortened season.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I wouldn't be surprised if he was back. Would have to be cheap tho and since he's made some money recently he might just go for the familarity. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was given a decent deal and just took that.

 

[DFC]

I wouldn't be surprised if he was back. Would have to be cheap tho and since he's made some money recently he might just go for the familarity. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was given a decent deal and just took that.

Our cap situation is so sticky that we might not even be able to, even if he takes the same money.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Our cap situation is so sticky that we might not even be able to, even if he takes the same money.

Yea it will depend on what our situation is. Right now doesnt look like we would be able to fit him at the same price. I'm curious what the moves will be to clear space. That might not happen right away and he might not want to wait and will most likely have a decent offer his way that he would definitely take seriously. Even if he did say how much he likes it here. It will depend on what our situation is. Unless we get rid of some big fish it looks like it won't be much..

 

[The Gongshow]

Girl, bye.

 

[Hoek]

Scratch him. Brings nothing.

 

[The Gongshow]

Scratch him. Brings nothing.

I'd rather play Coburn with Serg in sheltered minutes right now.

If Jones can play 1008973241 minutes then why not have Hedman and McD also play that much.

 

[The Macho King]

I'd rather play Coburn with Serg in sheltered minutes right now.

If Jones can play 1008973241 minutes then why not have Hedman and McD also play that much.

Its 2015 all over again.

 

[KuchieKooRov]

I'd scratch Shatty, don't need his toolset in this series and give Schenn a try. Hes a big body, way more physical, loves clearing guys from in front of the net. He isn't the quickest unfortunately but I don't see Schenn screwing up as badly in the situations where Shattenkirk allowed guys to abuse him today. Even on the tap in goal, Shatty was right in front of the guy.... and on the one on one, Schenn would have just buried Winnberg.

 

[Lightning1995]

I'd scratch Shatty, don't need his toolset in this series and give Schenn a try. Hes a big body, way more physical, loves clearing guys from in front of the net. He isn't the quickest unfortunately but I don't see Schenn screwing up as badly in the situations where Shattenkirk allowed guys to abuse him today. Even on the tap in goal, Shatty was right in front of the guy.... and on the one on one, Schenn would have just buried Winnberg.

I agree, just pair him with Serge

 

[Peacefool]

I'd scratch Shatty, don't need his toolset in this series and give Schenn a try. Hes a big body, way more physical, loves clearing guys from in front of the net. He isn't the quickest unfortunately but I don't see Schenn screwing up as badly in the situations where Shattenkirk allowed guys to abuse him today. Even on the tap in goal, Shatty was right in front of the guy.... and on the one on one, Schenn would have just buried Winnberg.

Yeah before 3rd goal i also thought that Shatty need to sit one game. after that goal i was sure that he needs it. Schenn,yes hes slow,like very slow,but he is tough and Shatty being as slow as Schenn ,brings nothing in offense,and he s not as tough as Schenn. So bring Schenn back. But i doubt itl happens bext game

 

[The Gongshow]

After that goal and giving up on the play I don't wanna see Shatty in the lineup for the rest of the playoffs