Clark4Ever
What we do in hockey echoes in eternity...
I think an average salary of 6-6.5 million per season is more than reasonable if Kessel is signed to a maximum term.
If he's getting an average of $8.5M over 8 years, then his cap hit is $8.5M. That's precisely what cap hit is. It's the average money made per year of the contract.
kidding about what?
if you don't like the facts...you need to turn away. Or order a #8 jersey. either way is good with this poster.
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 70,855
- 21,138
I agree, Kessel's a great support add, but he's just shy of a franchise player, 8.5 is what I would reserve for paying a player of this ilk, I would not go over 7M per for Kessel, I would prefer 6.5 over 8, with wiggle room to 7M.
Lucic's cap hit is 6mil. Are you saying Kessel does more to help a team win than Lucic? Kessel should be traded for future assets, unless his cap hit is more around 5.5mil. or less.
Yup thats about what i would offer also.
But that ain't what they are gonna demand on the open market.
Really? Aki Berg. Borje Salming yes. He was a great player. Aki Berg was not a difference maker. He would be more comparable to Inga Hammerstrom.
How many times have the Leafs made the playoffs without Aki?
Difference makers get their teams to the playoffs. Aki was (and still is) a difference maker.
anderson3133
Registered User
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 70,855
- 21,138
Lucic's cap hit went up this year, if I had a choice of Lucic or Kessel who would I take? There's only one Lucic in the NHL, the Bruins wouldn't be the Bruins without Lucic.
Obviously the Value of Lucic is not only measured in points, though 60+ point seasons are nothing to sneeze at. Hard to measure both, but they are in the same neighbourhood for different reasons, but will say from a supply and demand POV, Lucic players are more scarce.
CellarDweller0
Registered User
I think it's ridiculous that you would actually believe this so therefore you must be trolling. The only thing Aki carried on his back was a hunch while he coasted on the coat tales of his veteran teammates.
If what you say was true he would have found employment NHL after his Leaf years but hey, don't let that stop you. Carry on if you will.
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 70,855
- 21,138
Kessel will probably get 7M per somewhere, maybe more on the open market, cap is at 63M not sure next year but new CBA, it's not going up to 70+.
If it's about money, he's gone. I wouldn't offer him max money. But someone might.
ACC1224
Super Elite, Passing ALL Tests since 2002
- Aug 19, 2002
- 74,155
- 39,959
He chose to go back to Europe. No doubt he could have signed on with another Team.
haha Aki could always find employment in the NHL. Aki left to go home to spend time with Aki's family while at the same time dominating the Finnish Elite League.
Kessel may get the points, but Aki got the wins, and the glory.
I hate the Bruins, but realize Lucic's value to any team goes beyond point totals. (Although he does generate offense too.) I see only a couple of players like him in the league. Players with his skill-set are very hard to get.
In the last 33 games Phil Kessel has scored 2 even strength goals!
Lucic has 8!
And should I add 5 goals scored in the playoffs last year alone
I can't remember how many P/O goals Phil has scored for the Leafs - do you?
Phil Kessel should be offered 1 Million dollars for every playoff goal he's scored in his Leaf Career.
I agree that Lucic is a more valuable player to a team, but Kessel is a very good player too, just different. He is worth 5.5 as a cap hit. Then his cost to value ratio makes sense. Kessel can create space for other players by using his speed, and thus, forcing the D to back up too quickly, leaving a big gap for his teammates to fill. This ability to force open ice is one thing Kessel does beyond only scoring goals.
HockeyFanSince86
The Team People Love
The Winter Soldier
Registered User
- Apr 4, 2011
- 70,855
- 21,138
You'd really rather have a late first, a mid level prospect or two and another late round pick than pay Kessel slightly more than you think he's worth?
Then you wait years and hope and pray that you get another player like Phil with those assets.
Unfortunately for Phil Kessel this team is not built for his services. While I agree he does create space when he has the puck - in turn he also creates the opposite for his teammates when he doesn't have it. Watch his line get hemmed in their own end for 45 seconds on any given shift - the other 4 players on ice are exhausted by the time Phil picks up the puck and skates into offensive zone on a solo rush.
Add the fact that with Kadri/Grabo/Kessel holding down spots in our top6/9 we are considerably handicapped in the size department.
I think he's a terrific talent - just not for this team/roster. And 8.5 one dimensional PP specialist is the least of our concerns. In order for him to be truly effective he would need a legit Power Forward + 1C to play with - my concern is how do we get them - and keep Kessel? And keep our depth - without mortgaging more of our future? We'd also need another competant Goalie if we ever wanted to seriously contend for anything other than the 8th seed. Its probably best to get these other pieces and worry about finding a playmaking RWer later on down the road.
