Confirmed with Link: Kessel and a 4th to Arizona for Galchenyuk and PO Joseph

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Hate to break it to you, but it is Saturday.

Whoops.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He didn't want to be here. Only someone who has absolutely no idea how a hockey team works (or any sports team in general) would suggest keeping a disgruntled player in the name of asset management. If a player doesn't want to be part of the team, the best course for the team is to rid themselves and bring in players that do want to be there. This isn't a video game.

Smart GMs don't move a player for a shit return ASAP simply because the player has requested a trade at some point.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

we were always gonna get worse from trading Kessel, it was just a matter of how much worse. It still remains to be seen.

Technically Pens just have to win one playoff game to be better than last season.

Obviously they could miss the playoffs I suppose, but the bar from last season hasn’t been set as low since maybe 2014.

 

[JTG]

The fact that we got Galchenyuk + a decent prospect for Kessel when Arizona was the *only* team with a realistic chance of acquiring him tells me that the GMs are still an old boys club and nobody's out to fleece anyone else.

I thought this to myself numerous times. It's all in the name of diplomacy. In that industry, you may be fired tomorrow and end up in a different situation with the shoe on the other foot.

 

[JRS91]

I don't think we got any better.. the Pens will probably get less offense from Gally, the same amount of defense (from what I have seen), and slower. I'm not sure how we get better, unless I'm simply wrong about Galchenyuk - which I 100% want to be wrong.

But, that's just this move in a vacuum. What we do with cap space/the rest of the offseason is what matters. And on that note, I have no idea what Gally's contract looks like.

I already said that.

He's not as productive or as fast as Kessel. I disagree about defense, I think he's better in that department. That said, you trade a disgruntled player for a 25 year old who only 3 years ago had a 30 goal season. Who has carried the offense of one of the worst offensive teams in the league. I think if you put him alongside Malkin and Rust, he'll do absolutely fine.

The Penguins also get a good defensive prospect. Granted, he's about 3 years away from being NHL ready, but the Penguins get younger. That's what Rutherford has wanted to do. He managed to swap a disgruntled player for a younger, talented player that isn't a long-term investment. There's no commitment if Galchenyuk doesn't fit, then you don't re-sign him. If he does and and wants to remain with the team, great, bring him back. I think it was a solid trade for both sides. You're not going to win every trade in a landslide.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Smart GMs don't move a player for a **** return ASAP simply because the player has requested a trade at some point.

Or maybe Kessel just isn't valuable as you think, seeing how he has been traded 3 times for "**** returns".

 

[NoMessi]

The fact that we got Galchenyuk + a decent prospect for Kessel when Arizona was the *only* team with a realistic chance of acquiring him tells me that the GMs are still an old boys club and nobody's out to fleece anyone else.

I gotta be honest, I really like that. The effects of an awful trade or two can put your team back hard as it is.

 

[Jobeycool]

Quite a bit when we move Rust+JJ for futures, like we did with Sheary+Hunwick.

I think we have over 6 million

 

[KIRK]

Sure, but Gally also has worked with muckers before and Bjugstad and Horny needed a finisher

That line would have a higher cap hit than HBK.

Maybe we'd then call the 2nd line 'The Sloppy Seconds Line'?

 

[JTG]

Smart GMs don't move a player for a **** return ASAP simply because the player has requested a trade at some point.

It wasn't a shit return. It was the best return we were ever going to get. Phil has a no trade list. 7 teams we couldn't trade him to because they had cap constraints or they didn't want him. AZ was the only team he could have gone to and staying in Pittsburgh was no longer an option. He didn't want to be here and the coaching staff didn't want him.

 

[Turin]

Galchenyuk does not add anything outside of the box scores. That's the point.

We didn't get a guy who scored less but had no defensive issues. We got a worse version of Kessel who had the same warts.

But he’s a versatile asset even if it’s not a fit.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Because teams would make UFA decisions impacting the ability to move him without cap retention?

Right, there was no public bickering.

And there was no reason they HAD to move Kessel this summer. That's an artificial time frame. Again, look at what Yzerman did with Drouin. He bid his time and waited to get a good return.

 

[KIRK]

They would clearly add, right?

 

[TKalltheTime]

how much cap space do we even have to sign an impactful winger?

Almost 5.1 million without RFAs being signed.

 

[KIRK]

But he’s a versatile asset even if it’s not a fit.

If he's not a fit, then the only way he's an asset as an impending UFA is if nobody else realizes it.

 

[ColePens]

If they can actually move JJ and not be f***ing idiots on 7/1, then we are finding ourselves right back in a good spot. Positive train? Choo choo? Let's go.

 

[Gurglesons]

Right, there was no public bickering.

And there was no reason they HAD to move Kessel this summer. That's an artificial time frame. Again, look at what Yzerman did with Drouin. He bid his time and waited to get a good return.

What do you mean there was no public bickering? JR and Kessel basically just called each other in the media less than a few hours ago.

If you don’t understand the difference between moving an RFA Drouin and 32 year old NTC holding Kessel. I mean.

 

[JRS91]

I remember when Maple Leafs fans thought the return they got for Kessel was "underwhelming".

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think we have over 6 million

Capfriendly has us at $5.09 million free. We still have to re-sign ZAR, Petts and Blueger.

If we want to chase a bigger fish, even someone making $5 million, we need to dump JJ. Well, we need to dump JJ at any rate, and it'll likely cost us a significant piece (I believe it'll be Rust), but that's a move that has to be made before we worry about any bigger names.

 

[Tender Rip]

Where exactly was the bickering prior to this trade? Why exactly did the Pens have to trade Kessel now?

You’re thinking about stats.
Imagine Geno going to bed with a smile on his face and proceed to do the same .

 

[Turin]

Right, there was no public bickering.

And there was no reason they HAD to move Kessel this summer. That's an artificial time frame. Again, look at what Yzerman did with Drouin. He bid his time and waited to get a good return.

Yea... that’s going to fly with Kessel. That’s definitely the same thing.

 

[KIRK]

Almost 5.1 million without RFAs being signed.

6M allegedly . . .

Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap, Cap Hit, Pittsburgh Penguins Contracts | Puckpedia

 

[Gurglesons]

I remember when Maple Leafs fans thought the return they got for Kessel was "underwhelming".

That was more getting Kapanen instead of Sprong or Pouliot.

Now look at that LOl.

 

[JTG]

I hope you're right about JJ, but I think that's far too optimistic.

I still think we need a significant LD for the middle pairing. I'm entirely content running with a Petts-Riikola bottom pairing and shipping out Gudbranson for that much more cap wiggle room.

Our middle pair is above average against the rest of the league. A better middle pairing defenseman would be a luxury as Schultz is a pretty solid 3-4, and Petterson showed flashed of being a good middle pair guy himself. The best you could hope for is a guy who could play top pair mins and matchups, but they go for 7-8m these days.

 

[Gurglesons]

Capfriendly has us at $5.09 million free. We still have to re-sign ZAR, Petts and Blueger.

If we want to chase a bigger fish, even someone making $5 million, we need to dump JJ. Well, we need to dump JJ at any rate, and it'll likely cost us a significant piece (I believe it'll be Rust), but that's a move that has to be made before we worry about any bigger names.

We could technically sign someone and deal with the RFAs.

Or as many have alluded. Sign someone then move Gally for peanuts.