Confirmed with Link: Kessel and a 4th to Arizona for Galchenyuk and PO Joseph

[KIRK]

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My link doesn't includes 7 defensemen (with Trotman, not Riikola oddly). Your link includes 8 defensemen (Trotman included), exclusive of Pettersson. No way Trotman is on the roster. They have closer to 6M with 7 defensemen under contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ask yourself how the Penguins got better with this deal.

I'm interested to know.

Gally plays LW. Our biggest weakness is LW.

Gally is a UFA with no protection. If we want to sign say Lee or Zucc Monday. We can then we swap Gally to another team for a pick.

Our D prospect pool sucks. We added a player that projects a little bit less well than Addison.

We shipped out a player who reportedly requested trades multiple times over the last two years and got actual value back when he basically had a NTC that allowed him to move to one time.

How did we win the Staal trade?

 

[Tom Hanks]

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We won’t carry 9 D men so once Pettersson sign one of those guys will be gone (please be JJ ) so that’ll add to the cap space but could just be Ruh on waivers

 

[ColePens]

Ask yourself how the Penguins got better with this deal.

I'm interested to know.

That's an unfair way to look at things when a salary cap exists.

You guys already know I've made my case for 81 to stay. But I also understand this aspect of the business, too.

 

[DearDiary]

Jack Johnson as Kessel's top 5on5 D partner, almost no time with Letang or Schultz. Playing with Malkin who he has no chemistry with, his next top linemates being Pearson then ZAR by ice time.

82 points, how many more ES points could Kessel have had if he wasn't set up to fail?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Ask yourself how the Penguins got better with this deal.

I'm interested to know.

1. Galchenyuk may actually fit with Malkin, and Malkin and Kessel were like oil and water.
2. Malkin won't defer to Galchenyuk like he did with Kessel, which is a big improvement for Malkin.
3. If you want to believe Rossi, the friction between Kessel and Sullivan also caused Malkin problems last year. That's another way that Malkin benefits.
4. They have more money to add to other areas of the roster.
5. Galchenyuk is more likely to improve going forward and Kessel is more likely to decline.
6. Galchenyuk plays LW and LW was a big need in the organization.

 

[KIRK]

Gally plays LW. Our biggest weakness is LW.

Gally is a UFA with no protection. If we want to sign say Lee or Zucc Monday. We can then we swap Gally to another team for a pick.

Our D prospect pool sucks. We added a player that projects a little bit less well than Addison.

We shipped out a player who reportedly requested trades multiple times over the last two years and got actually value back when he basically had a NTC that allowed him to move. How did we win the Staal trade?

And in the process even better position thinks for renting a defenseman at the deadline.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

The absolute worse case scenario with Galchenyuk is that you probably get 40-50 points out of him this year and you let him walk as a free agent, which let's you enter the 2020 off-season with a dump truck of cap space. The best case scenario is that you acquired a young 30 goal scorer to play with Malkin, and you re-sign him to a contract similar to what Guentzel got. Both of those options sound better than keeping Kessel to me.

I wouldn't say we're going to have a dump truck of cap space. Schultz would free up 5.5 but that leaves us with a hole on D that'll need filled. Galchenyuk's 4.9 will go to cover raises for Murray, Simon, Kahun, and McCann. Plus maybe Riikola if he improves.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Quick, now dump JJ+Rust for futures and sign Anders Lee.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Quick, now dump JJ+Rust for futures and sign Anders Lee.

Galchenyuk coming in makes Rust a must keep for me, Rust is absolutely what that Chucky-Malkin duo needs

 

[Gurglesons]

And in the process even better position thinks for renting a defenseman at the deadline.

If Rutherford turn Kessel into Joseph and the cap space to sign one of Faulk, Piets or one of the other great UFA 2020 RD this is a clear win.

Hell, he could move out JJ and Rust and sign Gardnier and this would be a win this season.

 

[Jobeycool]

If you can move Hornqvist you do that instead....because He gets banged up so much around the net by the end of the year He cannot take it anymore.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

1. Galchenyuk may actually fit with Malkin, and Malkin and Kessel were like oil and water.
2. Malkin won't defer to Galchenyuk like he did with Kessel, which is a big improvement for Malkin.
3. If you want to believe Rossi, the friction between Kessel and Sullivan also caused Malkin problems last year. That's another way that Malkin benefits.
4. They have more money to add to other areas of the roster.
5. Galchenyuk is more likely to improve going forward and Kessel is more likely to decline.
6. Galchenyuk plays LW and LW was a big need in the organization.

And yet Kessel produced at an elite level regardless, because - unlike Galchenyuk - he's an elite player.

Position, youth, and an extra 2 mil in cap space for one year for a demonstrably much worse player than Kessel is a pretty hard sell. Based on actual on-ice performance, the team took a serious hit.

 

[DearDiary]

If you can move Hornqvist you do that instead....because He gets banged up so much around the net by the end of the year He cannot take it anymore.

He has a full NTC until 2021 where it turns into 8 teams...

 

[ImporterExporter]

Gally plays LW. Our biggest weakness is LW.

Gally is a UFA with no protection. If we want to sign say Lee or Zucc Monday. We can then we swap Gally to another team for a pick.

Our D prospect pool sucks. We added a player that projects a little bit less well than Addison.

We shipped out a player who reportedly requested trades multiple times over the last two years and got actual value back when he basically had a NTC that allowed him to move to one time.

How did we win the Staal trade?

I guess I wonder how Addison projects more than Joseph when the latter was a 1st round pick who only turns 20 tomorrow.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That's an unfair way to look at things when a salary cap exists.

You guys already know I've made my case for 81 to stay. But I also understand this aspect of the business, too.

We're a contender and we gave away an elite player for a much worse player with the same warts, and all we got for it in terms of how we can improve the team this year is 2 mil in cap space, whereafter the advantage ends because Kessel was cost-controlled on a bargain deal.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

And yet Kessel produced at an elite level regardless, because - unlike Galchenyuk - he's an elite player.

Position, youth, and an extra 2 mil in cap space for one year for a demonstrably much worse player than Kessel is a pretty hard sell. Based on actual on-ice performance, the team took a serious hit.

Phil's opposition produced at an elite level too.

 

[KIRK]

If you can move Hornqvist you do that instead....because He gets banged up so much around the net by the end of the year He cannot take it anymore.

For the umpteenth time, Hornqvist has a FULL no trade clause for the next two years.

 

[heysmilinstrange]

Quick, now dump JJ+Rust for futures and sign Anders Lee.

Galchenyuk coming in makes Rust a must keep for me, Rust is absolutely what that Chucky-Malkin duo needs

You're probably right, though.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Gally plays LW. Our biggest weakness is LW.

Gally is a UFA with no protection. If we want to sign say Lee or Zucc Monday. We can then we swap Gally to another team for a pick.

Our D prospect pool sucks. We added a player that projects a little bit less well than Addison.

We shipped out a player who reportedly requested trades multiple times over the last two years and got actual value back when he basically had a NTC that allowed him to move to one time.

How did we win the Staal trade?

Well, we didn't win the Staal trade. We got worse for years.

You're basing our advantage on projecting good moves yet to be made. We're a contender built to win for the next couple years, and right now we're a worse team.

 

[Empoleon8771]

And yet Kessel produced at an elite level regardless, because - unlike Galchenyuk - he's an elite player.

Position, youth, and an extra 2 mil in cap space for one year for a demonstrably much worse player than Kessel is a pretty hard sell. Based on actual on-ice performance, the team took a serious hit.

Oh wow, Kessel produced at an elite level with Evgeni Malkin. So did James Neal, who went back to a 50 point forward after the Penguins shipped him off. I don't know about you, but comparing the production of one guy who played with Malkin and Crosby to another guy who....didn't play with Crosby and Malkin seems pretty disingenuous and lazy to me.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Phil's opposition produced at an elite level too.

If Sully plays JJ and ZAR with Galchenyuk as often as he played them with Kessel, I have some bad news for you...

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

And yet Kessel produced at an elite level regardless, because - unlike Galchenyuk - he's an elite player.

Position, youth, and an extra 2 mil in cap space for one year for a demonstrably much worse player than Kessel is a pretty hard sell. Based on actual on-ice performance, the team took a serious hit.

You guys are foolish to look at what has happened in the past with Kessel. This trade is for the future of the team.

And if you believe Kessel is still an elite player with how he was performing for long stretches of the year last year, then I just question if you even watched the team play at all.

Kessel went something like 15 games where he didn’t score and was a complete liability last year.

Only reason he got to his PPG is because he went on a tear the first part of the season. The last part he looked absolutely terrible on multiple fronts.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[KIRK]

Oh wow, Kessel produced at an elite level with Evgeni Malkin. So did James Neal, who went back to a 50 point forward after the Penguins shipped him off. I don't know about you, but comparing the production of one guy who played with Malkin and Crosby to another guy who....didn't play with Crosby and Malkin seems pretty disingenuous and lazy to me.

True, but his 2nd and 3rd most productive season at ES came in Toronto . . .