Waived: Kenny Agostino, Kevin Graval, Nic Petan, Garrett Wilson

[Nooodles]

Explain how it is a cap move, please.

The closer we are to the cap the better when we put Clarkson and Horton to LTIR.

 

[MyBudJT]

The closer we are to the cap the better when we put Clarkson and Horton to LTIR.

Please explain. LTIR is LTIR. Even considering Clarkson and Horton, we still have Dermott and Hyman on LTIR.

Liljegren staying has NOTHING to do with our LTIR usage.

 

[biotk]

Explain how it is a cap move, please.

Need to get as close to the cap as possible without going over before last players are put on LTIR. Capfriendly says this gets the Leafs to within 11K. Any more expensive player would have put them over the cap. Any less expensive would have left them farther from the cap.

 

[biotk]

Please explain. LTIR is LTIR. Even considering Clarkson and Horton, we still have Dermott and Hyman on LTIR.

Liljegren staying has NOTHING to do with our LTIR usage.

Liljegren staying probably has everything to do with getting as close to max LTIR relief as possible.

 

[kb]

Need to get as close to the cap as possible without going over before last players are put on LTIR. Capfriendly says this gets the Leafs to within 11K. Any more expensive player would have put them over the cap. Any less expensive would have left them farther from the cap.

If they waived Timashov and kept Agostino, they would have been within $5k of the cap ceiling. I assume they were worried about Timashov.

 

[MyBudJT]

Need to get as close to the cap as possible without going over before last players are put on LTIR. Capfriendly says this gets the Leafs to within 11K. Any more expensive player would have put them over the cap. Any less expensive would have left them farther from the cap.

Thats not how LTIR works. LTIR allows you to go over the cap, regardless of what your salary is on October 1st.

They could have got closer than 11K if they wanted to.

 

[SprDaVE]

If they waived Timashov and kept Agostino, they would have been within $5 of the cap ceiling. I assume they were worried about Timashov.

It would have been funny if nothing else that a team would be literally 5$ below the cap ceiling.

 

[MyBudJT]

Liljegren staying probably has everything to do with getting as close to max LTIR relief as possible.

This is false, man.

LTIR is in addition to 81.5, no matter what our roster is set at on October 2nd.

 

[kb]

It would have been funny if nothing else that a team would be literally 5$ below the cap ceiling.

Edited.....$5k. lol

 

[therealkoho]

Thats not how LTIR works. LTIR allows you to go over the cap, regardless of what your salary is on October 1st.

They could have got closer than 11K if they wanted to.

this may help bringing clarity

Why Timothy Liljegren survived final Maple Leafs roster cuts - Sportsnet.ca

Liljegren was the most surprising name included on the roster because of his nondescript performance in camp. Unofficially, he beat out Ben Harpur, Jordan Schmaltz and Kevin Gravel – Harpur and Schmaltz have already cleared waivers while Gravel hit the waiver wire on Monday – but it’s probably only a temporary solution.

Because the 20-year-old former first-round pick has a contract that includes performance bonuses, he carries a cap hit of $1.263 million. Keeping him put the Leafs less than $11,000 from the cap ceiling, according to numbers provided by capfriendly.com, which is significant because that’s the point where the extra LTI room will be measured from.

In other words, it was in Toronto’s best interest to get as close to the cap ceiling as possible entering the season.

Liljegren can also be sent directly to the AHL Marlies without waivers so his time on the NHL roster may not last beyond opening day.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Until all the cap move shenanigans happen I'm going to read too much into the decisions. I think we'll lose Petan to waivers but apart from injuries he wasn't going to get the middle of the lineup which I think he needs to be effective.

Petan is an injury replacement for guys in the top 6. His game isn’t really suited for a bottom 6 role.

 

[MyBudJT]

this may help bringing clarity

Why Timothy Liljegren survived final Maple Leafs roster cuts - Sportsnet.ca

I do think Chris Johnsson is mistaken here, I guess we'll find out in a couple of days and whether Liljegren stays with the big club or not.

 

[DopeyFish]

My assumption is they used dermotts LTIR space on Liljegren to give him a 9 game tryout. It likely won't be 9 games, just a chance to get some more viewings as he was better than Sandin by the end of the playoffs and did earn the chance.

 

[TMLeafer]

Poor Petan. First Spezza takes his number, then his roster spot.

 

[MyBudJT]

My assumption is they used dermotts LTIR space on Liljegren to give him a 9 game tryout. It likely won't be 9 games, just a chance to get some more viewings as he was better than Sandin by the end of the playoffs and did earn the chance.

9 games tryouts only make sense for Sandin, and not Liljegren. Liljegren's contract will not slide, regardless of how many NHL games he plays in.

 

[The Iceman]

Lilly making the team is interesting, but it's probably not for long. However the fact he is still here shows maybe he didn't stagnate as a prospect after all. His supporters were correct.

Or that his contract value matches what the Leafs needed to maximize LTIR and he is waiver exempt

 

[RoadWarrior]

this may help bringing clarity

Why Timothy Liljegren survived final Maple Leafs roster cuts - Sportsnet.ca

His time is limited because of Dermott’s return but Dreger has said that Babcock wanted 8 D men for his practices to start the year.

 

[namttebih]

I thought Korshkov looked a lot better than Timashov or Shore...

Obviously just a numbers factor. They were able to send him down and not the same for the other two.

 

[namttebih]

No great loss.

No great loss?!?!!

Have you forgotten about Par f***ing Lindholm?!??!!

 

[RoadWarrior]

this may help bringing clarity

Why Timothy Liljegren survived final Maple Leafs roster cuts - Sportsnet.ca

The leafs could have used many different combinations of players to get near the max cap but they consciously chose to keep Liljegren over others such as Agostino.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Liljegren staying probably has everything to do with getting as close to max LTIR relief as possible.

They could have kept other players for that purpose as well. It’s not like Liljegren was their only option.

 

[CDN24]

This is false, man.

LTIR is in addition to 81.5, no matter what our roster is set at on October 2nd.

No it is LTIR plus what your season opening cap client roster was up to 81.5 so thats why it is important to get as close as possible to 81.5 when using season opining injured reserve. keeping Liljegren vs agostino right now gives you 126K more cap wiggle room in season. Oct 2 you can send lilly down call up agostino and have 126K of Cap room

 

[biotk]

His time is limited because of Dermott’s return but Dreger has said that Babcock wanted 8 D men for his practices to start the year.

While true that doesn't mean that Liljegren will be one of them. Makes more sense for him to be on the Marlies than being used as a practice D. Once the LTIR is placed, they can send Lilly down, bring up a cheaper D and then have some cap space (which could be used to replace one of the cheapest forwards with a more expensive one if they choose, or could be used to claim a goalie off waivers who is a little more expensive than Hutch, or whatever)

 

[4thline]

Thats not how LTIR works. LTIR allows you to go over the cap, regardless of what your salary is on October 1st.

They could have got closer than 11K if they wanted to.

It allows you to go over the cap by the amount you need to up to the value of the LTIR'd players. But if you don't need all the LTIR value on day 1 you don't get it and it's gone forever.

 

[The Assclown]

The leafs could have used many different combinations of players to get near the max cap but they consciously chose to keep Liljegren over others such as Agostino.

This is helpful from a practice numbers perspective. I don't anticipate him being on the Leafs' roster beyond opening day.