Friedman: Karlsson reportedly turned down sens offer of 8×10

[TheGreatOne11]

Doughty is the better player between the two, maybe not by much, but personally I think he is. 11 is the max I'd say. 10×8 is not a terrible offer. He wants out though, Hoffman and the fact that Ottawa is going nowhere fast factors into this.

 

[GMpuckFan66]

And that’s your opinion. No question his offense is unreal but I think doughty has a better all around game.

Maybe a few years ago yes but Karlsson has raised his defensive game considerably in the last 2 to 3 yrs. His all around game is on par until you factor in the offensive side which he takes in spades.

 

[Aoko]

Didn't know he lost a child...that's rough.

Stillborn. Yeah, it was rough.

 

[kings11]

Maybe a few years ago yes but Karlsson has raised his defensive game considerably in the last 2 to 3 yrs. His all around game is on par until you factor in the offensive side which he takes in spades.

I would question your ability to evaluate talent. Doughty is still the best Dman in the league! Defensively, it’s not even close, Doughty is at minimum 2 notches above. Offensively, he’s been suppressed by a heavy, defense first system that won him 2 cups. Now that they’ve given him more freedom and played a loser style he put up 60 points. The sheer idiocy of saying Karlsson is Doughty’s defensive equal is ridiculous and shows how little people know about what a defenseman truly is...

 

[These Are The Days]

I would question your ability to evaluate talent. Doughty is still the best Dman in the league! Defensively, it’s not even close, Doughty is at minimum 2 notches above. Offensively, he’s been suppressed by a heavy, defense first system that won him 2 cups. Now that they’ve given him more freedom and played a loser style he put up 60 points. The sheer idiocy of saying Karlsson is Doughty’s defensive equal is ridiculous and shows how little people know about what a defenseman truly is...

Talent is evaluated in notches?

 

[The Ugly Truth]

He can get more than 10m, but it does seem like Melnyk was willing to shell out money.

I don't think so. Sounds like an offer made just to be able to say to Sens fans, "Look, we tried to sign him." Easy to make an offer you know will be refused.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

8x10 is a pretty big low-ball imo

 

[Wondercarrot]

I would question your ability to evaluate talent. Doughty is still the best Dman in the league! Defensively, it’s not even close, Doughty is at minimum 2 notches above. Offensively, he’s been suppressed by a heavy, defense first system that won him 2 cups. Now that they’ve given him more freedom and played a loser style he put up 60 points. The sheer idiocy of saying Karlsson is Doughty’s defensive equal is ridiculous and shows how little people know about what a defenseman truly is...

Yes of course, we all know how Due Doughty is always being suppressed while Karlsson is playing in one of the NHLs great defensive systems in Ottawa.
Doughty who is a great great player has never once in his life played at the level Karlsson played in the playoffs while injured last year.
Defensively or Offensively

 

[The Ugly Truth]

I would question your ability to evaluate talent. Doughty is still the best Dman in the league! Defensively, it’s not even close, Doughty is at minimum 2 notches above. Offensively, he’s been suppressed by a heavy, defense first system that won him 2 cups. Now that they’ve given him more freedom and played a loser style he put up 60 points. The sheer idiocy of saying Karlsson is Doughty’s defensive equal is ridiculous and shows how little people know about what a defenseman truly is...

Did you see Playoff Karlsson 2 years ago? Like you, I used to bash Karlsson's defensive abilities. Now I know better. If he recover to that level he's the best defenseman in the league and close to McDavid for best player in the world.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Kalrsson worth 13x8

 

[The Ugly Truth]

Yes of course, we all know how Due Doughty is always being suppressed while Karlsson is playing in one of the NHLs great defensive systems in Ottawa.
Doughty who is a great great player has never once in his life played at the level Karlsson played in the playoffs while injured last year.
Defensively or Offensively

You beat me to it!

 

[The Ugly Truth]

Kalrsson worth 13x8

I think his new team will give him $12 million/year x 7 years = $84 million.

Ottawa firesale starts as soon as Karlsson is traded (they can use losing him as an excuse to blow the team up).

 

[TheKingPin]

His value is at an all time low. Teams can talk with him about an extension. He knows he isn’t ever re signing with Ottawa. He knows where he is wanted and for how much. Teams know this info also. He may already know where he’d sign and for how much next year. Teams just aren’t going to pay up. Tampa should sit tight and sign him next year after a cup win.

 

[Steve]

The offer is better than expected but I think we all know where Ottawa is headed. Without Karlsson they are right their for the Lottery and without Anderson|Hoffman they are probably favourites.

 

[bobholly39]

Doughty is the better player between the two, maybe not by much, but personally I think he is. 11 is the max I'd say. 10×8 is not a terrible offer. He wants out though, Hoffman and the fact that Ottawa is going nowhere fast factors into this.

Your personal opinion is one thing. General consensus around the league usually has Karlsson as #1 though.

And much more importantly than that - Doughty himself could have gotten a LOT more on the open market. Easily 13M$+ if he went UFA and tried for max cash.

So compared to that, 8x10 does leave a lot to be desired. At the very least you offer 8x11, so as not to insult the player, considering Doughty just signed for that.

 

[Tomas W]

Karlsson may well want to play for another team, but the reason doesnt have to be that Ottawa sucks, but simply that something else is really attractive. I could see TB to be really attractive. Apparently Karlsson and Hedman is "very good friends off ice".

Karlsson have probably had a tough time in his personal life past season. Fleeing down to sunny Florida to his big bear buddy Hedman could seem like a relief.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I would question your ability to evaluate talent. Doughty is still the best Dman in the league! Defensively, it’s not even close, Doughty is at minimum 2 notches above. Offensively, he’s been suppressed by a heavy, defense first system that won him 2 cups. Now that they’ve given him more freedom and played a loser style he put up 60 points. The sheer idiocy of saying Karlsson is Doughty’s defensive equal is ridiculous and shows how little people know about what a defenseman truly is...

Says who, you? This is a message board, thus there's going to be debates.

Did Karlsson turn down the offer because it wasn't enough money, and/ or the Sens are a dumpster fire? Hack-man ( No not Gene....Elliott) doesn't specify. Wish he would.

 

[BB88]

I don't think he said no to the money, he said no to the management.

 

[darnok]

Like Tavares, Stamkos, Marner, Mathews and others with good agents, he will wait until the cap rises and he can get the max deal possible. Also he probably knows his value Is lower now due to the sub-standard season he just had. He'll get 12 or 13 next season.
and who doesn't say no to the first offer?

 

[Flamingo]

The offer is better than expected but I think we all know where Ottawa is headed. Without Karlsson they are right their for the Lottery and without Anderson|Hoffman they are probably favourites.

These posts about Ottawa blowing up the roster after Karlsson leaves and Ottawa being a lottery team... you know Ottawa doesn't have its 1st round pick next season, right? And Melnyk/Fedral employee payroll failures/Karlsson fiasco are all threatening attendance next season. This team isn't in a position to tank either.

 

[The Ugly Truth]

These posts about Ottawa blowing up the roster after Karlsson leaves and Ottawa being a lottery team... you know Ottawa doesn't have its 1st round pick next season, right? And Melnyk/Fedral employee payroll failures/Karlsson fiasco are all threatening attendance next season. This team isn't in a position to tank either.

Look at the roster. It can't be fixed. The only option is the nuclear one.

 

[Flamingo]

Look at the roster. It can't be fixed. The only option is the nuclear one.

If Stone and Duchene both balk at re-signing, sure. But it's in Ottawa's best interest to secure those two guys and create a positive environment for their prospects to develop. Trade or draft acquisitions aren't likely to be better than these two, and tanking in 2018-19 is futile without their 1st round pick.

 

[THall4]

If the Sens want to be able to argue that they made their best attempt to keep Karlsson, they need to make an offer that financially has a reasonable chance of being accepted.

I understand that.

What im saying is he doesn't want to be a Senator...its clear as water. If he was offered a reasonable deal say a deal that mimics Doughty's for example...and he signed it. Do you ..or any Sens fans have any actual confidence that Melnyk will fork up any more money to help build a team around him in the near future?

Unless the Sens get a new owner in the next couple hours/days, which is very very unlikely....Erik Karlsson will be wearing a different teams jersey come fall.

 

[wpgallday1960]

Appears he just wants out of Ottawa. The team is going to suck while it is rebuilding so Karlsson wants to contend for a cup while in his prime. Probably doesn't think much of Melnyks ownership either.

 

[Steve]

These posts about Ottawa blowing up the roster after Karlsson leaves and Ottawa being a lottery team... you know Ottawa doesn't have its 1st round pick next season, right? And Melnyk/Fedral employee payroll failures/Karlsson fiasco are all threatening attendance next season. This team isn't in a position to tank either.

I’m fully aware they don’t have their pick. I don’t think they are necessarily in full tank mode I think the team is simply not good enough.

They were not good last year (granted they were the yr prior) and they lost Hoffman, will mostly likely lose their #1 D and #1 goalie. I would expect Karlsson to return a lot of young pieces but I’m not sure they will be impactful next year.

I wouldn’t suggest they will “tank” but I still expect them to be at the bottom of the standings. They could prove me wrong but I don’t see them as competitive.