Kansas City still looking for team?

[dronald]

I'm sure if Hamilton got a franchise it would sell tickets but what about 5 years from now when the team sucks??

You buying tickets then?

I am, and that arguement is no different from Phoenix, Atlanta, Florida, Carolina, Edmonton, Ottawa etc.

In the long run Hamilton would still out perform these teams even with a playoff drought as long as the Leafs. (Maybe not Edmonton and Ottawa) But they would still draw high.

Also, let's see how Winnipeg does. I'm sure in 5 years they will be fine.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

They are most certainly not in need of profit sharing this year or any of the forseable years to come. And the season hasn't even started yet, so you can't back up your claim anyways.

It's not a choice - its a regulation - its the NHL's internal economy.

Wealth is being redistributed to the Jets if they like it or not.

Bettman is the Stalin of the Hockey world - well at least over the last few years...

 

[Puckschmuck*]

It's not a choice - its a regulation - its the NHL's internal economy.

Wealth is being redistributed to the Jets if they like it or not.

Bettman is the Stalin of the Hockey world - well at least over the last few years...

Until you provide proof of this, it's nothing more than the usual "Winnipeg is too poor" crap from the anti-Winnipeg crowd. We are not a have not team at this time, or for the forseable future.

And how in the hell can you possibly say that Hamilton wouldn't work financially? I question where you are getting your information from.

 

[dronald]

Until you provide proof of this, it's nothing more than the usual "Winnipeg is too poor" crap from the anti-Winnipeg crowd. We are not a have not team at this time, or for the forseable future.

And how in the hell can you possibly say that Hamilton wouldn't work financially? I question where you are getting your information from.

imo. I think it's just opinion with no facts to base it on.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

I am, and that arguement is no different from Phoenix, Atlanta, Florida, Carolina, Edmonton, Ottawa etc.

In the long run Hamilton would still out perform these teams even with a playoff drought as long as the Leafs. (Maybe not Edmonton and Ottawa) But they would still draw high.

Also, let's see how Winnipeg does. I'm sure in 5 years they will be fine.

No way and I think you're insane..

First off if we even did this it would mimic San Jose/Minnesota .....

Edmonton has been an established team for nearly 40 years...

Economically Vegas or KC is way better.....

 

[dronald]

No way and I think you're insane..

First off if we even did this it would mimic San Jose/Minnesota .....

Edmonton has been an established team for nearly 40 years...

Economically Vegas or KC is way better.....

Economically Vegas or KC are Carolina or Nashville. Hamilton would be a mirror of what's happening in Winnipeg.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Until you provide proof of this, it's nothing more than the usual "Winnipeg is too poor" crap from the anti-Winnipeg crowd. We are not a have not team at this time, or for the forseable future.

And how in the hell can you possibly say that Hamilton wouldn't work financially? I question where you are getting your information from.

Go read the CBA but it's common knowledge and is spewed on HF regularly.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Economically Vegas or KC are Carolina or Nashville. Hamilton would be a mirror of what's happening in Winnipeg.

Nice geography...

 

[dronald]

Nice geography...

I was speaking in terms of profits my friend. Economics, not geography.

 

[Nuclear SUV]

Edmonton has been an established team for nearly 40 years...

Economically Vegas or KC is way better.....

Not sure about that. KC is a little less than twice the size of Edmonton, but already has twice the number of major professional sports franchises. Add in a third and it is an even more diluted market while and empty Edmonton is an arena away from being at the top of the relocation list.

Vegas meanwhile is in the economic dumps.

Edit: Even Hamilton would make more economic sense than either Vegas or KC. Vegas because of the economy, demographics, and culture, KC because of sports saturation.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Not sure about that. KC is a little less than twice the size of Edmonton, but already has twice the number of major professional sports franchises. Add in a third and it is an even more diluted market while and empty Edmonton is an arena away from being at the top of the relocation list.

Vegas meanwhile is in the economic dumps.

Edit: Even Hamilton would make more economic sense than either Vegas or KC. Vegas because of the economy, demographics, and culture, KC because of sports saturation.

The us economy sucks but period Canada's GDP is a joke....

TV/book time for me.

 

[Puckschmuck*]

Go read the CBA but it's common knowledge and is spewed on HF regularly.

And go and provide us with some facts before you make comments you can't back up. You are clearly basing your opinion on how you think Winnipeg will fail, which is only an opinion and not a fact.

The us economy sucks but period Canada's GDP is a joke....

And with comments like this you have demonstrated that as an Canadian-bashing American, you have no credibility in what you say. Enjoy your book.

 

[Puckschmuck*]

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[knorthern knight]

The problem with Canada is that they just don't have the population numbers to support that many teams.

For example California has 37 million residents while Canada has 30 million as a nation..

I just don't understand how you can put an NHL team in a Canadian city with a population of 800,000...

Same reason you can put an NFL franchise in an American town just over 306,000 (metro area), it's a national sport. BTW, Winnipeg comes in around 700,000, has sold out a 15,000 seat arena, and has a waiting list capped at 8,000.

KC at least has a couple million....

And the Kansas City Scouts lasted 2 seasons in the NHL. That's one season per each of million. Sheer population isn't enough, otherwise Mexico City would be a good candidate.

 

[knorthern knight]

Seriously KC mayor is looking for a NBA franchise first but since it's in lockout he's eyeing the NHL (an not because he wants one, he's just trying to lure someone to rent his expensive arena). I didn't see any articles concerning a NEW arena (an owner) in Seattle.

I wouldn't say he's serious. Just small talk to deflect anger from sports fans. The arena can make more money with 25 concerts/tractor-pulls/WWE/UFC events than from 45 hockey dates.

This is the kind of line that makes hockey fans so rage-y. Are we really to believe that AEG and the city would be happy to make less money if they find the "right deal"? Between AEG's new plaything in Los Angeles and Mayor Sly James deciding we can be picky about what teams move to Kansas City, it is increasingly clear that a "right deal" is a myth used to calm local NHL and NBA fans while the Get Motivated circus of has-beens and the professional bull riders tour blow in and out of town.

 

[knorthern knight]

Not to mention the majority of those who move to Vegas are not Nevada natives - they come from everywhere - that means potential hockey fans from Chicago, NY, BC etc...

Which explains why the Coyotes are so successful.

It's the new Florida.

No need for me to argue with you... you do such a wonderful job of demolishing your own arguments. In the 2010-2011 season, in a 30-team league, Florida Panthers attendance was 25th in percentage and 22nd in raw numbers.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Although I disagree that it would kill Buffalo I find it strange that you're agreeing with hawks that Hamilton would have no fans... It's either one or the other.



I would imagine season tickets would sell out like they did with Balsillies ticket drive and like they did for WPG in 12 minutes (or less.) There's no reason to think they wouldn't, the same goes for QC. All three are great NHL markets, 2 without a team.

First Hamilton will kill Buffalo. They will have fans. Too Many.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Enough of Winnipeg. There are 6 other threads for that. This is about KC.

 

[uhlaw97]

Houston wins any such argument on multiple grounds.

First of all, it HAS the sheer population.........4th largest city in the USA, nearly 6 million in the metro area.

Second of all, back when the WHA Aeros were playing in Houston, they had seasons during which they outdrew the NBA Houston Rockets, so the interest is there as well.

Hell, last year for the AHL playoffs, the Aeros drew over 10,000 fans to home games........and that's for a dang MINOR LEAGUE team.

Imagine what the NHL could do in Houston, playing in the state of the art, 18,000 seat Toyota Center?

 

[kdb209]

Houston wins any such argument on multiple grounds.

First of all, it HAS the sheer population.........4th largest city in the USA, nearly 6 million in the metro area.

Second of all, back when the WHA Aeros were playing in Houston, they had seasons during which they outdrew the NBA Houston Rockets, so the interest is there as well.

Hell, last year for the AHL playoffs, the Aeros drew over 10,000 fans to home games........and that's for a dang MINOR LEAGUE team.

Imagine what the NHL could do in Houston, playing in the state of the art, 18,000 seat Toyota Center?

Well just find an owner interested in owning a team there ...

 

[htpwn]

It's not a choice - its a regulation - its the NHL's internal economy.

Wealth is being redistributed to the Jets if they like it or not.

Bettman is the Stalin of the Hockey world - well at least over the last few years...

What do you mean by that? I know the man isn't well liked, but comparing him to Josef Stalin seems over the top.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

It's not a choice - its a regulation - its the NHL's internal economy.

Wealth is being redistributed to the Jets if they like it or not.

Bettman is the Stalin of the Hockey world - well at least over the last few years...

 

[Melrose Munch]

What do you mean by that? I know the man isn't well liked, but comparing him to Josef Stalin seems over the top.

He means the cap is socialist, and that we as Leafs and Hawks fans are footing the Bill for it, money that could go back into the team

Agree?

 

[No Fun Shogun]

To get back on topic, has there been any news out of KC about a potential owner/ownership group that would be trying to bring the NHL to the area? Having a good sports town and an available arena only goes so far, as they're pretty much useless if someone isn't willing to foot the bill and run the team.

 

[Puckschmuck*]

I've learned that he is just a hater, and that haters are going to hate by spewing out things that are not true, like what he said. Oh well, that's life I guess.