This is a major risk that cannot be underestimated. I can accept merging, but you need to be willing to invest even more in Forslund now as primary connection between the team and the community on both radio and TV.
Kaiton Out as Radio Broadcast
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This is a major risk that cannot be underestimated. I can accept merging, but you need to be willing to invest even more in Forslund now as primary connection between the team and the community on both radio and TV.
RodTheBawd
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I also wasn't much of a radio listener, he just seems to be stretching this going lean shit a bit too far. I mean what was Chuck making? <$100k? Rounding error. If Forslund ends up going, I'll riot.
FreshSeabass
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Same unless its for a better opportunity he cant pass up like NBCSN.
The article that there were six-digit losses and Kaiton’s contract was a major part of it.
I have personally heard Dundon call Forslund "The greatest asset the Canes when comparing strengths to the rest of the NHL". I think this occurred at the Founders Dinner so others could verify. This was last season before they won Svechnikov. If Forslund is leaving then I doubt it is a direct cost-cutting move. Although I could see Forslund leaving for other opportunities depending on what he feels about all these changes.
...maybe Chuck just didn't brown-nose enough or actually voiced some disagreement...hard to believe they couldn't figure out something salary and job-responsibility-wise that would work for both him and the club.
I agree that it's a real shame he won't have the opportunity to knowingly call his last game or to make it an even 40 years...
Hate to say it, but the TD regime continues to by-and-large disappoint me.
I agree that it's a real shame he won't have the opportunity to knowingly call his last game or to make it an even 40 years...
Hate to say it, but the TD regime continues to by-and-large disappoint me.
Vagrant
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he deserved better and the frequency in this theme is becoming impossible to defend
Chuck has a face for radio and a voice that many people can barely understand. I can't think of somewhere he would fit outside of what he is currently doing (for the Canes org). On the upside he is an icon and I doubt he will have trouble finding work in a bigger market. This one just doesn't want to pay him when they can pay significantly less to simulcast Forslund/Tripp.
The podcast idea posted earlier was a good one...he could do more national radio interviews to promote the club (NHL radio, TSN radio, etc)....I agree that his use would be somewhat limited, but I still think they could find extra value if they expanded his role to match the shifting media landscape...if they wanted to that is.
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AD Skinner
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If they do decide to move on from Forslund the team better be doing a lot of winning and in entertaining fashion, or no one is going to keep watching.
Navin R Slavin
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It's all about results on the ice.
If they win, no one will care much in the end, and we'll talk fondly about Chuck and the good old days.
If they lose, no one will care for different reasons, and everyone will blame Dundon for everything even though the franchise has been moribund for a decade.
It's the nature of the beast. Win and everyone's happy. Lose, and no one is.
tarheelhockey
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That to me is what’s really being lost here. It’s more about the intangible value of consistency across generations of the franchise.
If I’m being brutally honest, Chuck’s voice is Jeannerette-level annoying and live radio is an extremely niche product in 2018. I’ve heard more of his calls replayed in TV highlight clips than on actual radio. The product itself doesn’t make sense from a business standpoint. And if he wasn’t willing to take a different role, a multi-year contract, OR a pay cut, then he effectively decided on his own to go elsewhere (whether he conceives of it that way or not) because nowhere in this organization should anyone be entitled to a high-paid job for life.
That said, it’s hard to believe they couldn’t have just incorporated him into the TV broadcast. That seems exceptionally obvious, especially if Forslund is a serious threat to leave for NBC.
Joe McGrath
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Since TD took over the Canes have gone from having 4 people working for the organization in the Hockey Hall of Fame to zero.
tarheelhockey
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Joe McGrath
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Karmanos is a silent partner now which is why I said “working for”, and he was only a throw in because his inclusion in the HoF pisses me off to begin with.
Joe Nieuwendyk was the other.
tarheelhockey
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Oh right, I forgot about Nieuwendyk.
DaveG
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I think everyone forgot about him until he was canned.
We’ve also gotten a state of the art locker room, the highest-end defenseman that’s ever played for the team, and several in-house promotions of some pretty neat people (Brind’Amour, Tulsky, etc).
The pedigree is valuable until it proves the results aren’t coming. Francis didn’t get the team to the playoffs. Karmanos sold. Nieuwendyk didn’t... do anything. Kaiton was drawing less than 2,000 listeners to his entertainment show.
The Red Wings aren’t paying Ted Lindsay anymore because he’d be easily the worst player in the league. The Sedins didn’t get top line minutes last year in Vancouver, because they’ve declined. They chose to retire rather than accept a significant pay cut, and no one is vilifying the Canucks for that. A few years ago, Cam Ward stopped being as good as he used to be, and took a pay cut to reflect that.
Kaiton was offered a pay cut, likely in proportion to the value he brings. He chose to decline. I’m not trying to shit on the guy, but his show was drawing less than 2,000 listeners. It doesn’t mean he hasn’t done great work over the years, it means he’s currently not bringing value to the team. He was offered a pay cut and he declined. I don’t think anyone’s at fault here, it is what it is.
As far as the “throw the guy a bone” contingent, that’s what teams that are successful and make money can afford to do. This team loses money paying their roster the cap floor. Work needs to be done before we can do that kind of thing.
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Never cared for Kaitons call style. I’m not sure I could see Kaiton going from calling every Canes game to being a glorified PR guy in another medium. Personally I thought John is easy to follow on both mediums and it makes sense financially. I appreciate Kaitons contributions to the team and what he means to other people though.
I’ve pretty much resigned myself that unless Forslund absolutely wants to stay with one team, he is gone to the national broadcast at some point. Regardless of how much the Canes offer. It’s a fact of life at this point,
I’ve pretty much resigned myself that unless Forslund absolutely wants to stay with one team, he is gone to the national broadcast at some point. Regardless of how much the Canes offer. It’s a fact of life at this point,
There's a difference between losing Forslund to an obvious promotion, like a regular national broadcast spot, vs losing Forslund to a raise, for example taking the Seattle TV PBP spot. You can value Forslund and still lose him to national broadcasts.
AeroFishOne
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And I’m sure that would be the case. I think Dundon knows Forslund is more of a valuable commodity to the team at this point.
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bleedgreen
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I feel we’re already rationalizing John leaving. Of course he may get offered more money but the distaste he’s got to have over the last few years compounded by the new ownership moves will definitely play a role in his thinking.
He probably makes good coin off the national gigs he already gets, and we let him miss our games to do it. It’s clear we’re bending to make him happy.
I think if he leaves it’s because he’s sick of this team, and has little faith in the future under TD as well as cash. Not to mention TD while crushing on John publicly has to look at that spot as a place to put a “young and hungry prospect who will do the job for less”.
We don’t know what he gets paid now, do we? Do we know what a national guy gets?
He probably makes good coin off the national gigs he already gets, and we let him miss our games to do it. It’s clear we’re bending to make him happy.
I think if he leaves it’s because he’s sick of this team, and has little faith in the future under TD as well as cash. Not to mention TD while crushing on John publicly has to look at that spot as a place to put a “young and hungry prospect who will do the job for less”.
We don’t know what he gets paid now, do we? Do we know what a national guy gets?
Joe McGrath
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Of course he will, and if he has any convictions about his methods he should. How many viewers are they really going to lose if John leaves? Nobody watches anyway. They are the only team that doesn’t release the TV ratings and I’m guessing because it’s less people than are watching Disney Jr. from 7-10 on a weeknight.
The Faulker 27
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ITT several Milton's in a basement with the lights out saying "that's the last straw".
He also heaped praise on both Francis and Peters. Respecting a guy and firing a guy are are not mutually exclusive.
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