Player Discussion Kailer Yamamoto

[Drivesaitl]

One of the biggest issues with Yamo though, and a difference between he and Domi, is that Yamo gets knocked around a lot and gets banged up easily. His body is simply not meant for the style that he plays and one he needs to play to have any success. I can see that trend continuing, which to me is a huge red flag.


You're okay with a guy playing 40 games a year on a 3 million dollar contract?

How the hell is Max Domi being used as a comparable to Kailer Yamanothing. heh. Can't understand the other posters point of bringing it up. There is ho comparison whatsoever of the ability and production of one vs the other. Not even remotely.

Domi's AVERAGE production/season exceeds Kailors top production season. In sum we're talking 363pts vs 106. Sure Domi has played longer. Kailor won't get to 200NHL pts in his whole career.

 

[Arpeggio]

One of the biggest issues with Yamo though, and a difference between he and Domi, is that Yamo gets knocked around a lot and gets banged up easily. His body is simply not meant for the style that he plays and one he needs to play to have any success. I can see that trend continuing, which to me is a huge red flag.


You're okay with a guy playing 40 games a year on a 3 million dollar contract?

I'm not, but you have to replace him with a better player if you move him. They have given Puljujarvi every chance to pass Yamo in the lineup, and he blew it. If Puljujarvi had shown a pulse this year, it would've been Yamo going out.

If they brought in a Domi, or someone else who can fill that spot, by all means move Yamo. But right now he's the obvious sixth man in the top 6, and until they find someone better, you're only making the team worse by moving him out and not replacing him.

How the hell is Max Domi being used as a comparable to Kailer Yamanothing. heh. Can't understand the other posters point of bringing it up. There is ho comparison whatsoever of the ability and production of one vs the other. Not even remotely.

No comparison in production?

There's your comparison. Two consecutive seasons where Domi couldn't match Yamo's numbers from last season. Granted he's playing with worse players, but it's not like he hasn't had cold stretches similar to Yamamoto's.

I'm not saying Yamo is a better player than Domi. Just that it's not like it's unprecedented for a guy to go from scoring at 40 point pace to a 30 point pace for a short time.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He hasn't even played the equivalent of three seasons in the NHL! If he's giving me two months a year of point per game hockey, I'll take that if there's no better options.

Kind of a weird point to make of a player that was drafted 6 seasons ago and wasn't good enough to be up with the team most of the first 3 seasons and hasn't always been available to put in the lineup since. The player is missing a lot of games and this is only going to increase, because, concussions. Whats the chance other than nil that Kailor doesn't have worse upcoming issues with concussions?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I'm not, but you have to replace him with a better player if you move him. They have given Puljujarvi every chance to pass Yamo in the lineup, and he blew it. If Puljujarvi had shown a pulse this year, it would've been Yamo going out.

If they brought in a Domi, or someone else who can fill that spot, by all means move Yamo. But right now he's the obvious sixth man in the top 6, and until they find someone better, you're only making the team worse by moving him out and not replacing him.


No comparison in production?

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There's your comparison. Two consecutive seasons where Domi couldn't match Yamo's numbers from last season. Granted he's playing with worse players, but it's not like he hasn't had cold stretches similar to Yamamoto's.

I'm not saying Yamo is a better player than Domi. Just that it's not like it's unprecedented for a guy to go from scoring at 40 point pace to a 30 point pace for a short time.

Holy specious. Like I said one player AVERAGES more production than Kailors HIGHEST production season and one player is night and day far more productive on a season/season basis.

You're trying to equate an actual production forward with one who isn't?

Why even bring up Domi. It doesn't really support your point very well.

 

[Arpeggio]

Kind of a weird point to make of a player that was drafted 6 seasons ago and wasn't good enough to be up with the team most of the first 3 seasons and hasn't always been available to put in the lineup since. The player is missing a lot of games and this is only going to increase, because, concussions. Whats the chance other than nil that Kailor doesn't have worse upcoming issues with concussions?

lol okay, this discussion is going nowhere. As if taking three years to develop is a problem. He missed 5 games total the previous three seasons. I don't know what the chances are, what are the chances Puljujarvi never has issues with his hip again?

 

[LTIR]

I am done with Yama after that missed chance last night..

 

[Arpeggio]

Holy specious. Like I said one player AVERAGES more production than Kailors HIGHEST production season and one player is night and day far more productive on a season/season basis.

You're trying to equate an actual production forward with one who isn't?

Why even bring up Domi. It doesn't really support your point very well.

No I'm not, in fact I said that if you could bring in Domi to replace Yamo, you obviously do that. Yamo has been productive for 2/3 seasons that he's played here, and you're all jumping on him for this season where he's been underwhelming. My reason for citing Domi is that he's a guy that many people thought was a nothing player following his time in Columbus and Caroline, hence why he's currently playing on Chicago.

My point is that unless you're replacing him with a better player, Yamo is the obvious choice as the sixth player in the top six over a guy like Puljujarvi, who has never produced as much as Yamo.

 

[Drivesaitl]

lol okay, this discussion is going nowhere. As if taking three years to develop is a problem. He missed 5 games total the previous three seasons. I don't know what the chances are, what are the chances Puljujarvi never has issues with his hip again?

Its not even a question whether Yama will continue to get concussions and have appreciable concerns due to them. Both his size and style of play make this fairly inevitable. It was predictable that the smallest player in the NHL would have trouble like this given his style of play and its happened. It will continue to happen unless he becomes even more of a passenger than he has been this season when he's even played.

 

[Arpeggio]

Its not even a question whether Yama will continue to get concussions and have appreciable concerns due to them. Both his size and style of play make this fairly inevitable. It was predictable that the smallest player in the NHL would have trouble like this given his style of play and its happened. It will continue to happen unless he becomes even more of a passenger than he has been this season when he's even played.

No idea, he went three seasons without getting one. I guess we'll see.

 

[CROTT]

I think a lot of posters hate for Yamamoto this year is just the need for a whipping boy. Battling the neck/concussion issues this year left him out of the line up or a shell of his former self. For me he gets a pass this season, could he be playing better sure. But missing half the season is going to affect a lot of players games. These complimentary/support players usually get lost in the what have they done lately ideal, they then leave to be a decent player elsewhere. Also for these players it’s a lot about the fit and team dynamic as they can’t carry line themselves.

Like another poster pointed out he had 20 goals last year and the DRY line was a top producing line in the NHL that everyone complained when it was broken up. It’s a shame that success didn’t continue. Up till this season he was consistently healthy, but every one now claims he’s made of glass. It’s one bad injury year, sure concussions are problematic but let’s see what happens.

 

[Drivesaitl]

No I'm not, in fact I said that if you could bring in Domi to replace Yamo, you obviously do that. Yamo has been productive for 2/3 seasons that he's played here, and you're all jumping on him for this season where he's been underwhelming. My reason for citing Domi is that he's a guy that many people thought was a nothing player following his time in Columbus and Caroline, hence why he's currently playing on Chicago.

My point is that unless you're replacing him with a better player, Yamo is the obvious choice as the sixth player in the top six over a guy like Puljujarvi, who has never produced as much as Yamo.

This is ridiculous because you're counting one of the seasons for being productive, that you're not even including in your total of the seasons Yama has played here. You expect me not to notice that?. To wit you're not including 19-20 as one of the productive seasons that Yama has played and yet your counting that as one of his worthwhile production seasons. Sorry thats intentional misleading. Surely you can see that. 2/4 you could more honestly state.

Yama has played bits of 6 seasons here. First two were inept, Third he caught fire, 4th the fire went completely out, 5th was modest production and 6th is negligible.

 

[CROTT]

This is ridiculous because you're counting one of the seasons for being productive, that you're not even including in your total of the seasons Yama has played here. You expect me not to notice that?. To wit you're not including 19-20 as one of the productive seasons that Yama has played and yet your counting that as one of his worthwhile production seasons. Sorry thats intentional misleading. Surely you can see that. 2/4 you could more honestly state.

Yama has played bits of 6 seasons here. First two were inept, Third he caught fire, 4th the fire went completely out, 5th was modest production and 6th is negligible.

Are you really looking to count his 1st post draft season when he was 18 and was alright with three points in nine games, but wasn’t ready so he was sent back to Spokane? True it was an NHL season but how many late 1st round picks play in the NHL their first post draft season or even their second? Most follow the two years in CHL/NCAA/Europe then they might see a cup of coffee.

 

[Arpeggio]

This is ridiculous because you're counting one of the seasons for being productive, that you're not even including in your total of the seasons Yama has played here. You expect me not to notice that?. To wit you're not including 19-20 as one of the productive seasons that Yama has played and yet your counting that as one of his worthwhile production seasons. Sorry thats intentional misleading. Surely you can see that. 2/4 you could more honestly state.

Yama has played bits of 6 seasons here. First two were inept, Third he caught fire, 4th the fire went completely out, 5th was modest production and 6th is negligible.

lol I'm not trying to trick you, no I wasn't counting the 9 and 17 game seasons he played at the beginning of his career, the same way I don't really count Draisaitl's rookie season as a mark against him. Since Yamamoto showed he could stick in the NHL, he's generally been fine. We'll see how he finishes this year, if he continues to struggle, then I'll agree, 2/4.

 

[Drivesaitl]

No idea, he went three seasons without getting one. I guess we'll see.

This isn't even accurate either. Yamamoto had a concussion in june. He's had at least one this season as well. Afairc he had two different ones last season.

Are you really looking to count his 1st post draft season when he was 18 and was alright with three points in nine games, but wasn’t ready so he was sent back to Spokane? True it was an NHL season but how many late 1st round picks play in the NHL their first post draft season or even their second? Most follow the two years in WHL/NCAA/Europe then they might see a cup of coffee.

My objection, specifically, was to the poster somehow tallying a total of 3 seasons while somehow including the one production instance, 19-20, and not even including that as the total seasons played. Of the total seasons played its more accurate to point out that 2/3 have been unproductive. But if including the 27pt instance of production then 2/4 have had production.

But it seems as if I mistook the seasons the poster was including and that they were somehow not including this one.

I'm not really counting the first two seasons either. Just that I remember how useless Yama was here for 3 different TC's and the horror of knowing that he was ultimately going to continue to be joined with Draisaitl. lol

Yama IS the cooler. he could get a job in a Casino.

 

[Drivesaitl]

lol I'm not trying to trick you, no I wasn't counting the 9 and 17 game seasons he played at the beginning of his career, the same way I don't really count Draisaitl's rookie season as a mark against him. Since Yamamoto showed he could stick in the NHL, he's generally been fine. We'll see how he finishes this year, if he continues to struggle, then I'll agree, 2/4.

So you weren't including this season which is 75% done? heh. yeah you did trick me. lol

I don't think theres much chance Yama salvages this one. Even a ppg run and its still only 33pts on the season.

 

[Arpeggio]

This isn't even accurate either. Yamamoto had a concussion in june. He's had at least one this season as well. Afairc he had two different ones last season.

You're right, by your logic he went like 7 years without a concussion, if you count the years he wasn't playing full-time in the NHL. He got his first reported concussion in June at the end of the playoffs. If it's an issue that continues, sure that sucks.

So you weren't including this season which is 75% done? heh. yeah you did trick me. lol

He has like 25 games or whatever to improve on his numbers this year, and you said yourself the guy can go on a heater. We'll see how it shapes up. I'd bet on him to be more productive than Puljujarvi in the same role.

 

[MoontoScott]

With one cap thief winger gone, do we see Yams moved now or in the offseason? Both getting their lunch stolen by guys like Janmark, Ryan and Foegele, three of which are significantly cheaper to boot

I wonder if the Oil will renew Janmark and Ryan with one year deals? Ryan is old for an NHL'er but for the league minimum, one year deal he might be worth it. A number of guys on the farm are probably still a year away from the NHL.

 

[Harry Curry]

With one cap thief winger gone, do we see Yams moved now or in the offseason?

If forced to wait until the off-season likely a buyout.

Foegele has really stepped up his game. If big moves meant moving two of JP, Yamamoto and Foegele, I'd say Foegel now has the clear inside edge on being the guy who stays.

Absolutely. Foegele has twice as many goals, is far more durable and would offer very little with a buyout.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You're right, by your logic he went like 7 years without a concussion, if you count the years he wasn't playing full-time in the NHL. He got his first reported concussion in June at the end of the playoffs. If it's an issue that continues, sure that sucks.


He has like 25 games or whatever to improve on his numbers this year, and you said yourself the guy can go on a heater. We'll see how it shapes up. I'd bet on him to be more productive than Puljujarvi in the same role.

Yama had a concussion Oct 2021 as well. A confirmed concussion in which he missed games. So that he had two instances of missed games segments due to concussion last season just like I stated. He's had at least one concussion this season, and possibly two. In Concussion protocol when Concussions start piling up like this its usually a bad prognosis especially if likelihood of further head shots is there. Not trying to take a dump on his size but the physics of it doesn't work for Yama in physical NHL play and his head height is around elbow height. A shorter player is going to get rung more. Thats a likelihood.

Further the Yama coming back from latest concussion was much longer than originally hoped. The unspoken was the player was continuing to not feel right for an extended time which prognosis wise is probably not a great thing.

In anycase we have confirmed 3 instances of concussions over last two seasons. How many you want?

In addition to these there were multiple other instances where Yama is on the bench sorting out his marbles after head contacts. Its not a pretty picture. I wouldn't wish this on any player or person. It may be best case for him to stop playing hockey.

 

[Arpeggio]

Yama had a concussion Oct 2021 as well. A confirmed concussion in which he missed games. So that he had two instances of missed games segments due to concussion last season just like I stated. He's had at least one concussion this season, and possibly two. In Concussion protocol when Concussions start piling up like this its usually a bad prognosis especially if likelihood of further head shots is there. Not trying to take a dump on his size but the physics of it doesn't work for Yama in physical NHL play and his head height is around elbow height. A shorter player is going to get rung more. Thats a likelihood.

Further the Yama coming back from latest concussion was much longer than originally hoped. The unspoken was the player was continuing to not feel right for an extended time which prognosis wise is probably not a great thing.

In anycase we have confirmed 3 instances of concussions over last two seasons. How many you want?

In addition to these there were multiple other instances where Yama is on the bench sorting out his marbles. Its not a pretty picture. I wouldn't wish this on any player or person. It may be best case for him to stop playing hockey.

I googled this and I couldn't find a link to confirm he had a concussion in October 2021, I know he took a hit to the head but usually the injury report would say concussion (as it did when he got one in the playoffs, or this season).

In any case, you're right, I can't argue with impending career-ending injury. If that happens, you'd be correct. I don't think it's actually based on anything, but I can't argue it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I googled this and I couldn't find a link to confirm he had a concussion in October 2021, I know he took a hit to the head but usually the injury report would say concussion (as it did when he got one in the playoffs, or this season).

In any case, you're right, I can't argue with impending career-ending injury. If that happens, you'd be correct. I don't think it's actually based on anything, but I can't argue it.

Thanks for the exchange in anycase. I'm probably more unreasonable today. Its not just on Pulju. Its how many times our top prospects have not worked out.

FWIW the October 2021 instance Yama got his bell rung, was experiencing severe headaches. not feeling right, and was cited as suspected concussion. I mean we don't get doctor and medical notes, we never do. Thats as close to confirmed as it gets when media and head coach are saying it, that have spoken with the player and that there are games lost due to it. hehe, many times they just say upper body injury. The NHL likes to keep real quiet on concussions specifically due to lawsuits that are ongoing regarding concussions and regarding brain injuries.

 

[Oilhawks]

I wonder if the Oil will renew Janmark and Ryan with one year deals? Ryan is old for an NHL'er but for the league minimum, one year deal he might be worth it. A number of guys on the farm are probably still a year away from the NHL.

I could see it, I think the org lines both players and I think they both like it here (particularly Ryan). Ryan would be a perfect extra forward next year. Maybe he even stays on after at some sort of coaching capacity (I think he has the chops).

Janmark there could be some resentment about the being sent down stuff but likely water under the bridge. Only thing is he may try to get more money again, maybe not if him and his agent are thinking he’ll get around the same anyhow

 

[Harry Curry]

I'm probably more unreasonable today.

ftfy

I get the frustration with management and coaching. But today is a good day for the Oilers. They can ice a full roster for the first time since the Detroit game on February 15th.

 

[Drivesaitl]

ftfy

I get the frustration with management and coaching. But today is a good day for the Oilers. They can ice a full roster for the first time since the Detroit game on February 15th.

I don't get the what players we have even that can make up a full roster. Doesn't Pulju getting traded just mean we're short a forward even from where we were or Shore just inserted in? Tangibly whats the diff?

Kane isn't available to play yet afaik.

Just not gonna do a backflip because the org mismanaged yet another top pick prospect and where getting the "capspace" out of it is heralded as such a good day. Seems like the org failing a player yet again.

If a person hated the player I could see this being viewed as a good day. I didn't hate the player.

 

[Arpeggio]

Would be hilarious if we spent all day debating the merits of Yamamoto vs Puljujarvi just for Yamamoto to be moved in a trade for Ekholm lol