Value of: JT Compher

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  1. JoeSakic13 Registered User

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    His trade value isn’t high, but I still don’t think he gets moved. It’s a shame he isn’t crushing it more because there’s times where you could argue he’s great on the 2nd line. Then there’s others where you’re arguing whether or not he should have a roster spot. As guys like Newhook move up and with Saad moving in, it’s definitely a make or break season for him. He’s definitely 3rd line barring injury now, but I think there’s still hope for him.
     
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    I don’t think there is a trade right now. Not for futures anyway. So then it’s a change of scenery trade for a guy that is an adequate 3C on an adequate contract. Do I wish we could upgrade him? Sure. But it’s not nearly as pressing as some Avs fans make it to be.

    and now that we’ve traded Z. Our biggest liability by far is Ian Cole. He was even before Z was traded. And he’s a 6th and hopefully 7th D if Timmins or Byram can replace him on a nightly basis.

    Avs probably done for now and maybe until the trade deadline. Nasty roster with Saad and Toews added and only Zadorov lost.

    Avs should be very much in contention for the top seed in the west and a cup favorite. Much to the chagrin of Juno.
     
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    Habs didn't /Don't need some random 40 pt player. They needed a 25-30 goal big PF type of scorer.
    Other teams were interested in getting him but we struck first.
    We 're fine with Anderson's contract.
     
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    Well that would make it that he has negative value, You know if NO team wants him.
     
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    For all we know, Sakic might have turned down trade offers for Compher because he prefers to trade someone else. LOL. That Compher is still on the team doesn’t provide the basis for any logical conclusions — only guessing.

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    Just want to point out that Compher was the only Avalanche player to average more than 2 minutes of ice time on both the PP and PK this season. There were only 7 other forwards in the NHL to do that this season. Hard to think that we'll find an upgrade over Compher for cheaper than $3.5m.
     
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    Would like him in Detroit.
     
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    One of your 2nds and call it a day?
     
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    Which one, cause that value would differ.
     
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    I feel like almost every team in the league has their own version of JT Compher
     
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    Whatever one. Edmonton’s perhaps?
     
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    Sakic could probably get a top 10 pick for him because reasons
     
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    Compher's great in his role, it's just that Colorado has an abundance of players in that exact role and position. Being the youngest of the group, and possibly still having upside in the right situation, he probably has the most value in trade. We have enough 3rd line wingers but need a true 3C, where Compher has been miscast. But asking to do a hockey trade around here instead of cap dumps, busts, and never-weres is just anathema. A Danault/R.Strome type would be a nice fit from a hockey perspective. Whether or not the price would be right is another matter.

    Compher would be a nice fit in Edmonton or Arizona . A solid bottom 6 guy who doesn't look out of place if he has to move up a line or two. Either one would have to move salary separately though.
     
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    It doesn’t matter. Either would be great.
     
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    Next off season after Seattle takes Graves or Donskoi in the expansion draft.
     
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    Is he able to play the role of a shutdown 3c?
     
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    Nope.

    He's a decent to good 3rd line winger.
     
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    The issue with Compher at C is that he's not a good possession driver. He's a very direct north-south player, which can be useful but also has limitations.

    What the numbers bear out is that he was good defensively this season, with -14% xGA/60 being near elite level (for comparison Bergeron is a -16%). I think a portion of that can be attributed to linemates (eg. Nichuskin) though.

    His PK metrics are also extremely poor at +26%.

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    On offense he generated 13% less chances than league average which is quite poor as well. However, he still managed to put up 39 point pace (39 points in 82 games including playoffs).

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    The xGF/60 and point totals suggest that he's outproducing his expected goals for, something which is also illustrated by his high PDO:

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    Another thing I find noteworthy is that a lot of players seem to do better without him than with him, suggesting that he isn't a "glue" guy on his line, but rather a more individualistic player. This is something that is supported by the eye-test, and statistically speaking is an underlying reason why most Avs fans believe that he's miscast as a center.

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    This isn't to say that he's a bad player. He's a responsible guy in all zones who Bednar clearly trusts to deploy in all situations as illustrated in the chart below.

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    Further to that, the bottom line is that his impact on the box score is really good for a 3rd liner playing 72% of his TOI against elite opposition. Especially when one considers that he's in the 22nd percentile for OZ starts.

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    Compher has scored at a ~0.5ppg rate consistently since the 2017-18 playoffs, and even continued that when being miscast as a center (albeit with a high PDO). He's solid defensively, but doesn't drive possession well.

    The desire from Avs fans to "upgrade" 3C has less to do with Compher's ability and more to do with his skillset being miscast. Simply replacing Compher with a more of a possession driving 3C would make sense, however given that we have Newhook and Bowers in the pipeline it doesn't really make sense to go out all-guns blazing to get a 3C at any price.

    Moving him back to RW would be ideal as it would suit his skillset better, but given the logjam at RW (Saad/Donskoi/Kaut/etc) it's clear that he'll continue to be an adequate C in the short term until such time that we either pick up a 3C at the deadline or simply wait for Newhook to join.
     
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    If we let Ryan Strome walk, we'll take him off your hands for a late pick. K, thanks!
     
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    I think the hope is that Donskoi gets taken in expansion. One of Donskoi/Compher will have to go before the start of the 21/22 season and despite JTC’s defensive shortcomings, he’s still a valuable north south player if he’s on the wing who has scored at a 17 goal/39 point pace over the last two years making 3.5 a year.

    His numbers have improved both years in the playoffs too which is always good.
     
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    HA! Jokes on you because the Avs dont have a 2nd this or next year lol.
     
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    With Compher Graves Johnson and Jost the Aves are paying almost 15M for marginal NHLers who have negative value. With covid impacting small market teams the Aves may be forced to move a star player to make rent.

    I think Landeskog is the least valuable on ice player that they could easily move to cut costs.

    Aves would likely try to package Landeskog and Compher for a package of lesser cash players who's deals expire earlier. Something like Louie Erikson and Sutter saves the Aves a boatload of cash while being neutral two forwards for two forwards.
     
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    AVs are likely happy with these deals. It's not idiotic like the Anderson + Drouin + Price deals for $21M+.
     
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    Trading Landeskog and Compher for Loui Eriksson and Sutter would be among the all-time worst ever trades made league-wide.
     

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