Waived: Jordin Tootoo

[RedWingzz]

Does this mean we may see.............................




Luke Glendening back up?

 

[SoupNazi]

Does this mean we may see.............................




Luke Glendening back up?

Doubtful that Glendening will be back right away because of this.

 

[Frk It]

Does this mean we may see.............................




Luke Glendening back up?

Lol I got all excited because I thought they were clearing room for Nyquist.

...but really it was all for Glendening.

That seems about par for the course.

 

[Realgud]

I really hope we'll see Nyquist this time.

 

[Vladdy84]

Lol I got all excited because I thought they were clearing room for Nyquist.

...but really it was all for Glendening.

That seems about par for the course.

Just watch, Emmerton will be called up before Nyquist.

 

[Vladdy84]

I'd nominate Andersson. With Helm back, we have the depth to run out a good center on four different lines. We could even be creative with it and have Franzen at center so we can keep Z&D together.

I'd be totally cool with this. Joker still has options right? Even though he's looked pretty good with Gator and Tatar. Heck, if it came down to it. I'd rather have Glendenning up instead of Joker.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Not a big fan of Tootoo being the first guy to get moved. With that being said I don't have a problem with him being waived. We have too much talent that is being held back. Ken Holland put himself into this position by creating "depth" that doesn't actually improve his hockey club.

Tootoo was a solid 4th liner, this team simply needs more high end talent.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Just frustrating since we're close, but still far away. And the logical thing to do as far as we're concerned, is so obvious.

Nyquist just missed the ledge, but he'll live to climb another day (see reference below)



the pit is Grand Rapids. Nyquist is Batman. For those of you who need help.

And Ken Holland is the "Bat Jet" without the auto pilot update.

 

[evolutionbaby]

While his contract wasn't great, he is a very good 3rd or 4th liner. Im not sure what Babcock has against guys that bring energy every shift. The 11-14 minutes a game that Nyquist/Andy/Brunner played in the playoffs was very exciting hockey and those guys brought so much life to the team. I was at the game vs the Jets and every shift Tootoo was out banging and causing havoc. It forces teams to be more crisp and play at a higher speed than they are comfortable, something the Wings should have no problem with vs a team like the Jets. Those who say these hits are useless obviously havent played hockey. When you know you are going to get hit, you tend to force things and make a very quick decision.

 

[BinCookin]

Who says this is a step towards Nyquist, though? This is just so we can bring our injured guys back, isn't it?

This is technically 1/2 of Helm. If he is picked up off waivers, they get almost all of helm. Remember their capspace WAS roughly zero at the beginning of the year. LTIR with cheaper replacements buys a few dollars each day. But I would expect that Ericsson can not be added back to the team without them going over. Tootoo had to go for money reasons… and its not even enough. 1.9Mil vs Helms 2.125… is <300K. If someone claims Tootoo and relieves us of his entire hit… maybe no one else has to go? If we have to eat his salary… someone else will have to go as well. (Most likely Eaves)

Whether Tootoo gets claimed is going to be a big deal.

Ironically if we have to eat some of Tootoo's salary, it probably forces Holland to make another move.
And THAT move (to waive Eaves) would leave us at 22 players. And then MAYBE Nyquist is brought up.

So they are all connected I think. So I am not even sure what I want.
Maybe that we get screwed just enough to force Eaves out, increasing the odds Nyquist is brought in.


Either way this is all BS, because the real guy who should be losing his job is Sammy. He is being scratched (All things considered he is a bigger waste and more expensive than our other Flaming Poop) and clearly useless to our current team. Sadly we are stuck with that anchor of a contract. I really would like retain salary to dump him. Not even sure if that will work.

 

[odin1981]

Lol I got all excited because I thought they were clearing room for Nyquist.

...but really it was all for Glendening.

That seems about par for the course.

You need to make peace with the fact that unless el numero uno useless vet #1 sammy plays and gets a long term injury he isn't coming up. Or we get el numero deus ****ing Mr. Cleary hurt.

We are not gonna see nyquist this year before the playoffs. Just accept it.

 

[HIFE]

...Either way this is all BS, because the real guy who should be losing his job is Sammy. He is being scratched (All things considered he is a bigger waste and more expensive than our other Flaming Poop) and clearly useless to our current team. Sadly we are stuck with that anchor of a contract. I really would like retain salary to dump him. Not even sure if that will work.

Sad and true. I understand there is logistics involved but in the most honest evaluation Totoo is better for the Wings than Samuelsson. I would way rather Toots be on the 4th line, more than Eaves also.

Jordin could prosper from a change though, even to another league. He needs to re-invent himself. Crushing checks are perfect for Midgets and Juniors, but with how quickly the skill of the NHL is advancing he has to punish his opponents with one-timers into the net. There aren't many highlights nowadays of finishing checks in the corners. In practice I got to see him stickhandling and dangling with a beautiful shot. He uses an Easton RS for goodness sake! I'm trying to say his skill set doesn't match the confused role he's filling here with the DRW. Even if he isn't picked up by an NHL team I bet his professional ice hockey career is far from over.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

i honestly hope he isnt picked up

 

[Sergei DRW]

Cleary has some compelling stuff on Babcock. There is no other explanation why he is not placed on waivers instead of Tootoo who brings it every night.

Actually, there are too many passengers on this team.
Secondary scoring, Mike, where is it?

 

[BF3]

I think Tootoo will clear waivers then a team like Florida will trade for him and give the Wings a conditional 7th if we agree to take on half of his salary. Or something along those lines.

Sammy's NTC just makes me everytime I think about it. Otherwise we'd probably be doing this with him as well. Some team would be more than happy to take Sammy's contract on if we paid for half of it, but the NTC is just a killer.

I expect Eaves to be waived when Ericsson comes off LTIR.

 

[crashman]

Cleary has some compelling stuff on Babcock. There is no other explanation why he is not placed on waivers instead of Tootoo who brings it every night.

Actually, there are too many passengers on this team.
Secondary scoring, Mike, where is it?

It's just a case of their "loyalty" getting in the way again.

Since Cleary apparently took this big discount to remain a Red Wing, they feel obligated to let him play. A lot of people make jokes about them offering him a multi-year extension, but I honestly think he's playing himself off this team. It's sometimes hard to give Holland the benefit of the doubt lately, but there's no way they extend Cleary if he continues to play this way. The right thing to do would be to bench him and give a guy like Eaves a chance on the 3rd/4th lines and move Tatar or even Sammy into the top 6 instead. Putting Cleary in a top 6 role is total ******** at this point.

 

[Henkka]

It also fully possible we keep Tootoo and if no one claims him, re-call him back if there's long-term injuries and waive again, if the full roster is healthy. If there's no use for him, give him some icetime at Toledo.

And he could be normally back at next season, because there's still one contract-year left. The cap situation eases a lot at next summer and at least Eaves/Sammy/Bert + maybe also Cleary/Alfie come out of the books.

Sheahan/Ferraro/Nyquist are out of waiver options and will be promoted 100% sure to be those replacements.

Datsyuk - Zeta - UFA (Vanek?) (Back-up plan: Alfie, reality: Cleary )
Franzen - Weiss - Nyquist
Abdelkader - Helm - Tatar
Sheahan - Andersson - Ferraro
(Miller, Tootoo, Callahan)

After all contract extensions (Tatar +1.5M, Ericsson +1.0M, DeKeyser +2.0M) we should have ~14 million of capspace and I'm not counting that expected 5-7 million cap rise in it. That space could be used for one UFA forward and one UFA defenceman (to replace Quincey), to complete a full roster.

Tomas Vanek (greatest net-front guy since Homer) with 7.0M deal and Andrei Markov for 6.0M (short-term contract that works well with incoming defensive prospects) would be my targets. Markov would cost only +2.2M more, because of savings from the Quincey leave.

These would be my perfect pieces. We don't have very well net-front specialists at prospect system right now. Sheahan could be it and TyBert is still in juniors. Maybe in the future we have. But we need Vanek right now if Bert and Cleary will walk. That's a superb upgrade. Also Vanek would bring a right handness. Markov fits well for the prospect plan.

Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - UFA (Quincey -->Markov)
Smith - Kindl
(Lashoff - Almquist)

 

[BinCookin]

It's just a case of their "loyalty" getting in the way again.

Since Cleary apparently took this big discount to remain a Red Wing, they feel obligated to let him play. A lot of people make jokes about them offering him a multi-year extension, but I honestly think he's playing himself off this team. It's sometimes hard to give Holland the benefit of the doubt lately, but there's no way they extend Cleary if he continues to play this way. The right thing to do would be to bench him and give a guy like Eaves a chance on the 3rd/4th lines and move Tatar or even Sammy into the top 6 instead. Putting Cleary in a top 6 role is total ******** at this point.

I agree. I have been adamantly cheering for Cleary to either EARN his points… or not get any.
Watching his play this year (lets forget previous years).. nothing is being produced offensively by this player, and he has had a few 1 timer set ups in the slot for shots on net.

Bottom line is statistically, it is very hard to say Cleary is having a good year when Andersson who makes less than half as much has more than double the points. As long as that trend continues, it is LUDICROUS to resign him or give him an extension. This is the big difference between Franzen and Cleary. We see him out there ASSUMING he is dogging it, but he has produced 0.6-0.8 PPG each season, which is productive. This year Franzen is probably at 0.33PPG, so he needs to pick it up, but Cleary is at about 0.15 PPG, and you really can not get any worse. I was pissed seeing him get that phantom assist the other night. Every point he gets is leverage to say "i'm good see". Well I wonder if in contract negotiations, they have people that analyze how points are scored. If all your assists and points come on empty net goals and 2nd assists… is this really a factor???

Last Year's playoff cleary earned him this years contract
This year's season cleary will hopefully earn him NO contract!

 

[Vladdy84]

It's just a case of their "loyalty" getting in the way again.

Since Cleary apparently took this big discount to remain a Red Wing, they feel obligated to let him play. A lot of people make jokes about them offering him a multi-year extension, but I honestly think he's playing himself off this team. It's sometimes hard to give Holland the benefit of the doubt lately, but there's no way they extend Cleary if he continues to play this way. The right thing to do would be to bench him and give a guy like Eaves a chance on the 3rd/4th lines and move Tatar or even Sammy into the top 6 instead. Putting Cleary in a top 6 role is total ******** at this point.

Sorry, that's a lie. That HSJ proclaimed offer has never been confirmed. Cleary had a PTO from the Flyers. The contract "agreement" was a ruse. Obligated for him to play?
He played himself off the team last year.

 

[BinCookin]

Announcement of Tootoo getting claimed might come before NOON? Or only exactly at NOON?

 

[InjuredChoker]

It also fully possible we keep Tootoo and if no one claims him, re-call him back if there's long-term injuries and waive again, if the full roster is healthy. If there's no use for him, give him some icetime at Toledo.

And he could be normally back at next season, because there's still one contract-year left. The cap situation eases a lot at next summer and at least Eaves/Sammy/Bert + maybe also Cleary/Alfie come out of the books.

Sheahan/Ferraro/Nyquist are out of waiver options and will be promoted 100% sure to be those replacements.

Datsyuk - Zeta - UFA (Vanek?) (Back-up plan: Alfie, reality: Cleary )
Franzen - Weiss - Nyquist
Abdelkader - Helm - Tatar
Sheahan - Andersson - Ferraro
(Miller, Tootoo, Callahan)

After all contract extensions (Tatar +1.5M, Ericsson +1.0M, DeKeyser +2.0M) we should have ~14 million of capspace and I'm not counting that expected 5-7 million cap rise in it. That space could be used for one UFA forward and one UFA defenceman (to replace Quincey), to complete a full roster.

Tomas Vanek (greatest net-front guy since Homer) with 7.0M deal and Andrei Markov for 6.0M (short-term contract that works well with incoming defensive prospects) would be my targets. Markov would cost only +2.2M more, because of savings from the Quincey leave.

These would be my perfect pieces. We don't have very well net-front specialists at prospect system right now. Sheahan could be it and TyBert is still in juniors. Maybe in the future we have. But we need Vanek right now if Bert and Cleary will walk. That's a superb upgrade. Also Vanek would bring a right handness. Markov fits well for the prospect plan.

Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - UFA (Quincey -->Markov)
Smith - Kindl
(Lashoff - Almquist)

not bad.

but i'd give strong look for ouellet and jurco; if they aren't ready, so be it, send them down.

and if season goes on like this, i'd buy out franzen.

can't see habs letting markov walk.

i'd like vanek a lot but if he hits ufa, don't see him coming to wings. money would be the only reason and really don't want to give him ton of money over long-term.

as ufa pool is looking so weak i' look for trade market. get some rh defenseman. babcock mentione in one team canada interviews how important it is to have rh-lh defenseman. marchenko and co may or may not be ready. no doubt he wants that with wings. do your job kenny or retire.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

not bad.

but i'd give strong look for ouellet and jurco; if they aren't ready, so be it, send them down.

and if season goes on like this, i'd buy out franzen.

can't see habs letting markov walk.

i'd like vanek a lot but if he hits ufa, don't see him coming to wings. money would be the only reason and really don't want to give him ton of money over long-term.

as ufa pool is looking so weak i' look for trade market. get some rh defenseman. babcock mentione in one team canada interviews how important it is to have rh-lh defenseman. marchenko and co may or may not be ready. no doubt he wants that with wings. do your job kenny or retire.

i dont think the jackets will resign gaborik and i bet he signs for less then vanek and is just 31

5 year deal at 6.5 million would be fantastic

nyquist-datsyuk-gabby
zetterberg-weiss-tatar
franzen-helm-jurco
ferraro-andersson-abdelkader

kronwall-ericsson
dekeyser-smith
kindl-ouellet
lashoff

 

[ArGarBarGar]

What makes you think the Jackets will simply let Gaborik walk after trading for him so recently?

 

[InjuredChoker]

i dont think the jackets will resign gaborik and i bet he signs for less then vanek and is just 31

5 year deal at 6.5 million would be fantastic

nyquist-datsyuk-gabby
zetterberg-weiss-tatar
franzen-helm-jurco
ferraro-andersson-abdelkader

kronwall-ericsson
dekeyser-smith
kindl-ouellet
lashoff

gaborik is a possibility. but i still want more rh shots there. only one rh and he is on the 4th line. that won't cut it.

 

[Henkka]

i dont think the jackets will resign gaborik and i bet he signs for less then vanek and is just 31

Vanek is 29 and fits better in the team. Net-front ability, R handness, younger, bigger (6'2 vs. 6'1 Gaborik).

I really don't want that injury mess Gaborik to be our headache.

I'd like to see this PP:

Vanek - Datsyuk - Zetterberg
Kronwall - Markov

There's only one problem in Vanek. He has Minnesota-wife just like Parise and Suter.