Player Discussion Jordan Greenway

[AKL]

It may be a better option than trading players you would rather keep.

I think in 2017 the Wild traded Tuch because they'd rather keep Coyle or Nino, and I think everyone realizes that wasn't a good move. I think when the players you'd rather keep are third liners, it's not very smart to trade a 1st to protect them.

 

[TaLoN]

It may be a better option than trading players you would rather keep.

You likely have to give up real value on top of it... so you're no longer losing Soucy or Foligno, but also losing Boldy or Addison as well.

No thanks.

I'd take a subpar return on Greenway before doing that. Get assets back, not just give more away.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You don't really need to jump right to Boldy when discussing options with Seattle. There's plenty of room in between.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

When its through 25 games against the same 6 teams?

I don't know about that....

Luckily it's a decision we don't have to make after only 25 games.

 

[TaLoN]

You don't really need to jump right to Boldy when discussing options with Seattle. There's plenty of room in between.

At this point, we're probably wishing Vegas had taken Greenway over Tuch, and we're thanking our stars they didn't take Kap... since they got to choose between Kap, Tuch and Greenway.

I was just looking back at that example on the caliber player we would risk losing... because it happened.

 

[57special]

People seem to be forgetting that we can also trade some asset to Seattle to get them to pick the player we want. We may be able to give them something to induce them to take Soucy or Foglino. We have an extra first, we could build a deal around that.

We know about that option.

 

[SMTHook]

I give them Addison to go away.

 

[AKL]

I give them Addison to go away.

That's what not learning your lesson the first time looks like.

 

[MNRube]

Greenway is a beast. His play this year has been crucial to our success. How many other teams have a 6’6” forechecking monster who scores at a 60 pt pace with great underlying stats? He was always going to be a late bloomer so I don’t think his play this year is a mirage. We will need him in the years to come

 

[Uberdachen]

Still, can't we get him angry? Just once?

And then all the time?

 

[GuerinUp]

Greenway is a beast. His play this year has been crucial to our success. How many other teams have a 6’6” forechecking monster who scores at a 60 pt pace with great underlying stats? He was always going to be a late bloomer so I don’t think his play this year is a mirage. We will need him in the years to come

dont count chickens before they hatch. 1 good season does not mean a great career.

see:
granlund
coyle

 

[MNRube]

dont count chickens before they hatch. 1 good season does not mean a great career.

see:
granlund
coyle

Greenway has always had great possession and defensive stats. While I concede that I may be jumping the gun a bit, he probably settles in as a 45-55 pt wing and With all the other things he brings to the table that is a valuable piece and not one we should be so casually giving to Seattle or adding to trades as a sweetener. Luckily I think Guerin feels the same. He’s an extremely unique player.

 

[Tyler Durden]

What's everyone take on Greenway this season? Slow start, but hopefully the flood gates have now opened?

 

[MuckOG]

What's everyone take on Greenway this season? Slow start, but hopefully the flood gates have now opened?

Playing well now, but consistency has always been his issue.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Playing well now, but consistency has always been his issue.

Contract year as well

 

[Taylor26]

He can't just keep showing up against bad teams. Had a decent playoffs last year though.

 

[TaLoN]

Benched despite 9 players being out, Kevin Fiala goes from the doghouse to the penthouse in a big Wild win

The Wild were expecting Greenway to clear the COVID-19 protocol Saturday morning, but he tested positive again.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Maybe at draft he is going to be tradeable, what do you want from MTL?

If i'm GM of Habs, that would my first target, 24 years old, big, skate well and going make the futur better.

 

[Bazeek]

Maybe at draft he is going to be tradeable, what do you want from MTL?

If i'm GM of Habs, that would my first target, 24 years old, big, skate well and going make the futur better.

It's mostly a cap-driven problem so he'll probably be sold for futures to the highest bidder. Just splitballing I'd think right now he's probably worth a 2nd and an okay prospect, but if he shows well down the stretch and in the playoffs that could go up.

 

[Al Lagoon]

He seems to be heating up, 4 assists in the last 2 games(albeit vs. bottom feeders) - loved his assist on Foligno's winner the other night.
He plays a role on one of the best Wild lines of recent memory.

 

[57special]

292 GP, 117 pts(38 goals).

- misses about 10-11 games per year, on average.

Playoffs

- 22gp, 7 points

What bothers me about him is that at an age where he should be in his prime(25yo), he is having his worst year(5 pts in 20gp). He looks to me to have not improved his skating or balance, at all, and his puck skills, such as taking and receiving passes, shooting, etc. seemed to have deteriorated...certainly not improved.

Maybe he was never that talented, maybe the injuries are still affecting him, maybe he doesn't work that hard. I don't know. I just think he is a big disappointment, after putting up 26 assists in a 56 game season two years ago. At this point, I am wondering if the team wouldn't be better off putting Duhaime in his spot, and trading Greenway, though I don't know if he has much value. I think both he, and to a lesser extent, Foligno, get too much credit for the success of the GREEF's, and JEE not enough.

 

[BagHead]

292 GP, 117 pts(38 goals).

- misses about 10-11 games per year, on average.

Playoffs

- 22gp, 7 points

What bothers me about him is that at an age where he should be in his prime(25yo), he is having his worst year(5 pts in 20gp). He looks to me to have not improved his skating or balance, at all, and his puck skills, such as taking and receiving passes, shooting, etc. seemed to have deteriorated...certainly not improved.

Maybe he was never that talented, maybe the injuries are still affecting him, maybe he doesn't work that hard. I don't know. I just think he is a big disappointment, after putting up 26 assists in a 56 game season two years ago. At this point, I am wondering if the team wouldn't be better off putting Duhaime in his spot, and trading Greenway, though I don't know if he has much value. I think both he, and to a lesser extent, Foligno, get too much credit for the success of the GREEF's, and JEE not enough.

I would guess that his scoring has been decreasing because of his injuries. Him starting this year injured meant he would be a step behind where he usually is, which is still a step behind where he usually should be (bad skating joke, sorry).

He's one of those players who, when healthy and engaged, you can see the monster he could become. It sometimes takes those hulking power forwards years to gain consistency and fill in their frame, but once they do you get guys like Todd Bertuzzi. That said, I think Greenway's just about out of time to develop into anything even halfway to Bertuzzi. He was nearly halfway there two years ago, but hasn't developed since.

I think he probably is what he is at this point, a good bottom 6 player with just enough skill to play on the 2nd line for a few games if there's an injury, but would be exposed there long term. I like him, especially when he's playing a nasty-but-legal style, but I have no illusions about what his upside probably is at this point.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He was a mid 2nd round pick for a reason, and has done fine with what those expectations should be. He was never going to be a big goal scorer; that wasn't a part of his game is entire junior career.

Foligno has seen a pretty big drop vs. what he's been the last few years as well, and Eriksson Ek is buoyed a bit by being on the #1 PP (at least early on when it was scoring).

If you're going to break up that line, I think you move Eriksson Ek up in the lineup, not just replace his winger with a decent 4th liner.

 

[57special]

I would guess that his scoring has been decreasing because of his injuries. Him starting this year injured meant he would be a step behind where he usually is, which is still a step behind where he usually should be (bad skating joke, sorry).

He's one of those players who, when healthy and engaged, you can see the monster he could become. It sometimes takes those hulking power forwards years to gain consistency and fill in their frame, but once they do you get guys like Todd Bertuzzi. That said, I think Greenway's just about out of time to develop into anything even halfway to Bertuzzi. He was nearly halfway there two years ago, but hasn't developed since.

I think he probably is what he is at this point, a good bottom 6 player with just enough skill to play on the 2nd line for a few games if there's an injury, but would be exposed there long term. I like him, especially when he's playing a nasty-but-legal style, but I have no illusions about what his upside probably is at this point.

I don't think he is even a good bottom six player at this point.

 

[BagHead]

I don't think he is even a good bottom six player at this point.

That's kind of why I mentioned his injury to start the year. I think that's set him back from where he'd normally be at this point. I think this is a down season for him, not the normal, but time will tell.