Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin: To C Or Not to C

[Price4Prez]

Oh, you're going in the future reference quote bin, mister vision extraordinaire.

Mete wouldn't put up the same numbers in TB, not even close. Mete wishes he had Serge's strenght and shot.

Also, Serge was 2nd for points among TB dmen. Mete couldn't even finish among the top 4 in Montreal.

Also, you lack vision if you think we need a winger like Drouin over a LHPMD like Serge.

And Serge wishes he could move the puck and skate like Mete, every player has their strengths. TB had the most goals for, in the league last year. Montreal was 29th. 90 goals difference. Yes, it is normal that TB players have more points then Habs players. Its not about needing a winger over a LHD. It was about the opportunity to get a player who is BETTER at his position.

Sergachev had an outstanding OHL career. What makes you think he is not a number 1? At this point considering his outstanding junior career and his NHL debut it's more of a question between him being just a number 1 or a Norris caliber number 1.

Since when did OHL stats guarantee NHL success? Im not going to run down and list all the players who had fantastic junior careers, only to fall short of expectations coming into the big league. How can you label a 1st year Dman, a #1 dman or norris winner when he isnt even the #1 on his own team. Thats just silly. Dont you think it would be wise to see if he can even duplicate anything resembling his first year play?

The only thing you showed here is you think Mete and Sergachev are similar players, which only proves you don't know squat about either.

And when did people suddenly decide that making the roster and hanging with the best of a contender is now easier than making the roster of a bottom team?

No, the only thing i proved is, i have a much different opinion than you. I dont think you know how this works. It is much easier to break a kid in a great team, then it is breaking him into a bottom feeder. If Serge would have made the team last year, who would he have played with?? Petry? Juulsen? Benn? OReilly? How would that have gone? He played most of his season with Stralman, which is a heck of a better dman than the ones i listed above- and if you watched any TB games at all, you would know Stralman covered a crap ton of mistakes for him. Not to mention, the overall support from being on a better team. When McDonagh was traded to TB. He got pushed to the third pairing with Coburn. So yes, if Mete got put into the same situation, got to play with the same partners, his totals would be much better than they were and i wouldnt have to waste time trying to show you how and why.

LOL This has to be the funniest post of the 2018.

Your sense of humor is terrible if it is.

Truth is in the middle. Drouin is better than most are willing to admit (he is the only game breaking talent we have) and Sergachev is a very good young defenseman that needs to prove himself. Is he a #1D in the future? It's anybodies guess but he is a good one no doubt.

I think this trade is close but it's early.

I think it is a little early too - but its crazy how people tout Serge as a #1 D already, when he hasnt proven to be anything close to that. These are the same people who think we traded a #1 center in Galcheynuk.

With whom precisely as his center? Another winger-come-center like Domi?

Drouin isn't patches, if there is anyone to coattail ride he doesn't have it in him to be the difference himself. He's dependent on his linemates who will be another small winger tried and failed at center and enigmatic armia.

He might sell a lot of jerseys but he didn't then and doesn't now address a critical need ( unlike what sergachev would). Would he be as good here as in Tampa? Hell no. But he would still be in our top 3 with Weber out and with room to grow. Drouin is Drouin, a complimentary small winger with speed and not a lot of consitent commitment to all facets of the game.

If that is winning the trade I think we are playing very different games.

I stopped taking you seriously at your first sentance, when you infered that Patches makes the difference himself. Laughable. If ANYONE on that Habs roster, needed others to work for them, it was certainly Patches. I wont even bother explaining why, because it is so obvious and clear. I agree that Serge would be in our top 4 right now with Weber out. Where i dont agree is Drouin being a complimentry winger. Drouin has game breaking talent. Consistency is a stale term. If everyone was consitent for 82 games, we'd have a 200 player race for the Art Ross.

You seem so quick to anoint Serge a slam dunk, but you think we lost the trade based on one season of Drouin, playing out of position, at center, the hardest forward position in the league. Seems like a double standard to me.

I agree with the first part of your statement, now if drouin plays the way he can, then i agree with the full statement.
Sergachev is a good dmen, but as of now he is not what people make him to be, and he is much better cause he is on a top tampa team.
But it is also hard to miss the talent he has, and that he can be a top dmen, but i sure would still take noah and the stability he brings over him.

Could not agree more.

so was Drouin in Tampa!!

now we saw the REAL DROUIN last season!!

You must be one of the most clueless posters here. Yes, we saw the real Drouin, who was playing as a number one center, as a LW, for the montreal canadiens, a bottom feeder, in his first year after being traded here,for the first time since junior. If only there were more posters like you that could enlighten the fanbase.

 

[sandysan]

I stopped taking you seriously at your first sentance, when you infered that Patches makes the difference himself. Laughable. If ANYONE on that Habs roster, needed others to work for them, it was certainly Patches. I wont even bother explaining why, because it is so obvious and clear. I agree that Serge would be in our top 4 right now with Weber out. Where i dont agree is Drouin being a complimentry winger. Drouin has game breaking talent. Consistency is a stale term. If everyone was consitent for 82 games, we'd have a 200 player race for the Art Ross.
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yeah patches scored 30 goals a seasom irrespective of who his linemates were, because he was always riding the coat tails of wonder players like david deharnais. just parasitizing the little dude, literally sucking all of the p'tit gars talent on the bench like a vampire.

That was the appeal of patches, it didnt matter who you played him with ( unlike drouin) he was going to get his. Was he a game changer ? nope but you could count on him to get 30 +/- goals however you played him and he wasnt a PP specialist.

Drouin has game braking talent, but heartbreaking effort. And he sucks out loud as a center and is already shown a shocking level of entitlement in his short career.

Right here right now, if you took patches and drouin and asked which one is more dependent on his linemates, its not even freaking close. And this year Drouin will play wing on a line with a guy who failed as a center in arizona, until we move him BACK to center where he will continue to suck out loud.

having speed and dirty dangles doesnt make you a star in the NHL if you consistently loaf it up and down the sheet.

Jonathan drouin. Not a center.

 

[Kriss E]

No, the only thing i proved is, i have a much different opinion than you. I dont think you know how this works. It is much easier to break a kid in a great team, then it is breaking him into a bottom feeder. If Serge would have made the team last year, who would he have played with?? Petry? Juulsen? Benn? OReilly? How would that have gone? He played most of his season with Stralman, which is a heck of a better dman than the ones i listed above- and if you watched any TB games at all, you would know Stralman covered a crap ton of mistakes for him. Not to mention, the overall support from being on a better team. When McDonagh was traded to TB. He got pushed to the third pairing with Coburn. So yes, if Mete got put into the same situation, got to play with the same partners, his totals would be much better than they were and i wouldnt have to waste time trying to show you how and why.

Euh...ya...right. All those rookies who just come onto contenders to takeover important key roles...
It's so much easier than getting a spot on a completely weak team.
Next you'll tell me how it's easier to look good in the NHL because you play with better players than it is to make the AHL, where talent mostly sucks in comparison...
In all you are saying, never a mention of the opposition they are facing.
Also, if Sergachev played like Komisarek where all he did was dump the puck out or to his partner, then hey, you'd have a point. But that's very far from the reality.

Now, if all you mean to say is that playing with good players help, well, ya, duh. But playing with good players does turn you into a star. You do not go from Mete to what Sergachev did in TB.
If you still think that, then again, you are proving you do not know much of either player.

 

[Price4Prez]

yeah patches scored 30 goals a seasom irrespective of who his linemates were, because he was always riding the coat tails of wonder players like david deharnais. just parasitizing the little dude, literally sucking all of the p'tit gars talent on the bench like a vampire.

That was the appeal of patches, it didnt matter who you played him with ( unlike drouin) he was going to get his. Was he a game changer ? nope but you could count on him to get 30 +/- goals however you played him and he wasnt a PP specialist.

Drouin has game braking talent, but heartbreaking effort. And he sucks out loud as a center and is already shown a shocking level of entitlement in his short career.

Right here right now, if you took patches and drouin and asked which one is more dependent on his linemates, its not even freaking close. And this year Drouin will play wing on a line with a guy who failed as a center in arizona, until we move him BACK to center where he will continue to suck out loud.

having speed and dirty dangles doesnt make you a star in the NHL if you consistently loaf it up and down the sheet.

Jonathan drouin. Not a center.

Do you even remember the seasons he played with Desharnais? Those were not only Desharnais best seasons, but the best two from Patches, where he scored the most goals. Did i like DD. No. Was Desharnais a quality center? For those two seasons, he was good. They formed one of the best duos in the league for those two seasons. Do you not remember, Desharnais doing anything but dish the puck out to Patches? When did Patches have his 3rd best season? Yup, when Radulov was working for him and dishing him the puck. Did you know Patches has a near 9% empty net goal ratio. 9%! That must be hard work. These are facts. So please, spare the non sense.

And where is this entitlement story about now? Yes, he was very demanding. He must have asked to be put at that impossible scenario, at center. Great for is production and stats. Did you even think that one out?

Only thing i agree with you is, Drouin is not a center. He is a top winger.

 

[sandysan]

Do you even remember the seasons he played with Desharnais? Those were not only Desharnais best seasons, but the best two from Patches, where he scored the most goals. Did i like DD. No. Was Desharnais a quality center? For those two seasons, he was good. They formed one of the best duos in the league for those two seasons. Do you not remember, Desharnais doing anything but dish the puck out to Patches? When did Patches have his 3rd best season? Yup, when Radulov was working for him and dishing him the puck. Did you know Patches has a near 9% empty net goal ratio. 9%! That must be hard work. These are facts. So please, spare the non sense.

And where is this entitlement story about now? Yes, he was very demanding. He must have asked to be put at that impossible scenario, at center. Great for is production and stats. Did you even think that one out?

Only thing i agree with you is, Drouin is not a center. He is a top winger.

so someone who says that deharnais was " a good dynamic center" questions MY grasp on the game ?

Noice !

its a shame the NHL left him of the top 100 players of all time ! And the point ISNT when he had his best season, barring injury re pretty much scores at the same pace regardless of who is on a line with him. with a meh center or with one worse than meh. Are some of those goals empty netters ? sure. Some of them are also goals in settled games. But you can take 67 and put him with pretty much ANY NHL level center and he will score, and score at about the same pace. This isnt because his centers are making him better ( something that drouin HAS never done and I'm not sure he ever COULD do).

Without a good center, drouin can't do diddly, he's a complimentary players who needs other players to open up the ice for him because he sure as hell cannot do it himself.

Deharnais and pacioretty one of the best " duos" in the league for two years ?

har de har har.

 

[Price4Prez]

Euh...ya...right. All those rookies who just come onto contenders to takeover important key roles...
It's so much easier than getting a spot on a completely weak team.
Next you'll tell me how it's easier to look good in the NHL because you play with better players than it is to make the AHL, where talent mostly sucks in comparison...
In all you are saying, never a mention of the opposition they are facing.
Also, if Sergachev played like Komisarek where all he did was dump the puck out or to his partner, then hey, you'd have a point. But that's very far from the reality.

Now, if all you mean to say is that playing with good players help, well, ya, duh. But playing with good players does turn you into a star. You do not go from Mete to what Sergachev did in TB.
If you still think that, then again, you are proving you do not know much of either player.

Who said anything about getting a spot? We are talking about being productive. Serge would have made the team, sure. He wouldnt have produced nearly as much. Not even the most clueless fan, can argue that.

Also, in general, any player will produce more playing with better quality players. Thats a fact. Example. Did Kotkaniemi look better in rookie camp playing with Waked, Alain and co? Or with Hudon and co last game? Did DLR, yes DLR produce more last year when he was playing with Galchy or when he played on the 4th with DLo and Froese? Full of sarcasm, yet these are facts.

Oppoisition they faced? Sure. Mete when playing with Weber on the top pairing, faced the best forwards on the other team. Similarly, when Weber went down, he played with Petry, which also faced the best forwards. Serg? Who did he play against? He was sheltered. Played 2nd and 3rd pairing against middle to bottom 6 opposition. Yet, another fact.

It's fine if you dont agree with me, i wont lose sleep. At least get the facts straight before you come guns blazing, pretending you're going to teach me something here.

 

[76]

Drouin is looking so much comfortable in his second camp in Montreal. He is a smart and serious kid that handles the media and fan critism extremely well particularly at his young age and considering the situation he had to deal with and first rough season.

He looks pumped, physically and mentally strong and more than ready to prove his worth.
I think he will explode offensively this season.

 

[Sorinth]

yeah patches scored 30 goals a seasom irrespective of who his linemates were, because he was always riding the coat tails of wonder players like david deharnais. just parasitizing the little dude, literally sucking all of the p'tit gars talent on the bench like a vampire.

That was the appeal of patches, it didnt matter who you played him with ( unlike drouin) he was going to get his. Was he a game changer ? nope but you could count on him to get 30 +/- goals however you played him and he wasnt a PP specialist.

Drouin has game braking talent, but heartbreaking effort. And he sucks out loud as a center and is already shown a shocking level of entitlement in his short career.

Right here right now, if you took patches and drouin and asked which one is more dependent on his linemates, its not even freaking close. And this year Drouin will play wing on a line with a guy who failed as a center in arizona, until we move him BACK to center where he will continue to suck out loud.

having speed and dirty dangles doesnt make you a star in the NHL if you consistently loaf it up and down the sheet.

Jonathan drouin. Not a center.

It didn't matter who Patches played with because he always had Markov/Subban on the backend. When that went away last year his production fell off a cliff.

Since even in Tampa Drouin's production was mostly PP it probably doesn't effect him as much though.

 

[Price4Prez]

so someone who says that deharnais was " a good dynamic center" questions MY grasp on the game ?

Noice !

its a shame the NHL left him of the top 100 players of all time ! And the point ISNT when he had his best season, barring injury re pretty much scores at the same pace regardless of who is on a line with him. with a meh center or with one worse than meh. Are some of those goals empty netters ? sure. Some of them are also goals in settled games. But you can take 67 and put him with pretty much ANY NHL level center and he will score, and score at about the same pace. This isnt because his centers are making him better ( something that drouin HAS never done and I'm not sure he ever COULD do).

Without a good center, drouin can't do diddly, he's a complimentary players who needs other players to open up the ice for him because he sure as hell cannot do it himself.

Deharnais and pacioretty one of the best " duos" in the league for two years ?

har de har har.

Where in my post did i say DD was dynamic? I said he produced. Its fact. Most of Patches goals came from DDs assists. I didnt say Patches cant score goals. Laugh all you want, but if you go do a little research, you ll see quick enough that Patches/DD combined for most of their points together and at a higher ratio then at least half the leagues best duos at the time. Where i disagree is where you think, who you play with has no barring on your production. What happened last season, when Patches had no Radu ? Ya. 17 goals. Know how many were even strength? 1. Patches isnt Crosby or McDavid. He doesnt produce by himself. He is a sniper, much like Ryder was, who needs to have the puck placed on his stick, while he gets into position. Thats fact. Patches doesnt handle the puck and skate.

Drouin can create. He CAN put up points. I'll bet you if placed on the wing, for a full season - his production will at least double. You make it seem like Drouin is a 4th liner here. Have we watched the same Drouin throughout his career? Geez.

Truth is, we are trying to base 1 season of Drouin, out of position, vs 10 seasons of Patches as the teams top winger. Cant be so quick to dismiss a top talent like Drouin.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

And Serge wishes he could move the puck and skate like Mete, every player has their strengths.

lol... you didnt watch Serge play, it's obvious. While Mete is a slightly better skater, Serge moves the puck just fine. He's a slightly better passer than Mete, but has far superior offensive IQ. Saying "every player has their strenght" is just you using a generalization to put them on even footing, which is just wrong. If you watched him instead of just checking the stats collumn, you would have realized that he clearly has all the tools and offensive upside to be a top pairing D. Mete, whom I like very much, has some really great qualities, but also some huge shortcomings that makes one wonder if he'll ever be able to be a top pairing D. Few have those doubts about Serge.

TB had the most goals for, in the league last year. Montreal was 29th. 90 goals difference. Yes, it is normal that TB players have more points then Habs players.

Stop using that excuse. Serge (o,50) had FOUR times the PPG ratio Mete had (0,14). That's not just because of their different teamates, especially since Serge finished SECOND among Tampa's Ds.

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Maybe if I repeat it often enough you'll get it. He finished ahead of Girardi by a whopping 22 points, ahead of Stralman, Coburn and any other D not named Hedman on the team. If it were so easy to get points on the TB squad, howcome Kunitz finished with 11 points less than Serge. Even Ryan McDonagh, who is usually a 0,50 ppg player, was unable to muster more than 3 points in 14 games, which is not even 0,25 ppg.

If your pet theory was right McD, even on the second PP line should've been able to rack up points, no? But McD's stint had him finish with not even half of Serge's ppg ratio.

What this shows is that Serge has really good offensive upside, and you'd see that if you actually watched him play. And don't give a lie about seeing play. The fact you equate him to Mete makes it clear as day that you didn't watch Serge.

And then you compare to Mete, who wasn't able to outscore a ragtag group of dmen. He finished 7th among dmen and 21st on the team. Mike Rielly was able to get a point more than Mete in 30 games less. If it was so bad in Montreal and Mete was as good as Serge, Mete would've been able to do better than at least half of the Ds on the team. You can see this, not by looking at his points, but where he finished. Despite playing 50 games, he finished 7th among Ds and 21st on the team

Its not about needing a winger over a LHD.

Yes, it's about needing a LHPMD more than we needed a winger. Funny how someone who supports a dumbass move by our dumbass GM has the same blindspot when it comes to the importance of filling that LHPMD spot.

It was about the opportunity to get a player who is BETTER at his position.

Drouin isn't better at his position than Serge. Serge had 13 points less, as a rookie, than Drouin's best season with the same offensive powerhouse. Even worst for Drouin, two ROOKIES had better seasons than Drouin had on the same team, and not as a rookie for the latter (Gourde and Point both had more than 10 points than Drouin's best season).

Serge will be a top pairing D. Not sure Drouin will even be a top line winger. We've had two top line wingers on our team the season before, two wingers who are undeniably better than Drouin, and some people actually doubt they are top line wingers, so imagine where that puts Drouin compared to them. Drouin, for now, is NOT top line material.


You said we lack vision which is pretty ironic since it's clear as day you didn't watch Serge.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Where in my post did i say DD was dynamic? I said he produced. Its fact. Most of Patches goals came from DDs assists. I didnt say Patches cant score goals. Laugh all you want, but if you go do a little research, you ll see quick enough that Patches/DD combined for most of their points together and at a higher ratio then at least half the leagues best duos at the time. Where i disagree is where you think, who you play with has no barring on your production. What happened last season, when Patches had no Radu ? Ya. 17 goals. Know how many were even strength? 1. Patches isnt Crosby or McDavid. He doesnt produce by himself. He is a sniper, much like Ryder was, who needs to have the puck placed on his stick, while he gets into position. Thats fact. Patches doesnt handle the puck and skate.

Drouin can create. He CAN put up points. I'll bet you if placed on the wing, for a full season - his production will at least double. You make it seem like Drouin is a 4th liner here. Have we watched the same Drouin throughout his career? Geez.

Truth is, we are trying to base 1 season of Drouin, out of position, vs 10 seasons of Patches as the teams top winger. Cant be so quick to dismiss a top talent like Drouin.

I understand what you are saying. DD took a beating out there playing in our top 2 center role with Patch on his wing. In truth, he did have some limited success. Not sure why he gets thrown under the bus so much.

It wasn't his fault we didn't have anyone better other than Pleky and Eller. People forget that DD was demoted just as much as Eller was. In fact, DD played 4th line more than Eller. I still think today, DD should of been traded before Eller but I don't think it's fair to DD with so many throwing him under the bus cause Bergevin traded the wrong guy to free up space for the wrong guy

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

yeah patches scored 30 goals a seasom irrespective of who his linemates were, because he was always riding the coat tails of wonder players like david deharnais. just parasitizing the little dude, literally sucking all of the p'tit gars talent on the bench like a vampire.

That was the appeal of patches, it didnt matter who you played him with ( unlike drouin) he was going to get his. Was he a game changer ? nope but you could count on him to get 30 +/- goals however you played him and he wasnt a PP specialist.

Drouin has game braking talent, but heartbreaking effort. And he sucks out loud as a center and is already shown a shocking level of entitlement in his short career.

Right here right now, if you took patches and drouin and asked which one is more dependent on his linemates, its not even freaking close. And this year Drouin will play wing on a line with a guy who failed as a center in arizona, until we move him BACK to center where he will continue to suck out loud.

having speed and dirty dangles doesnt make you a star in the NHL if you consistently loaf it up and down the sheet.

Jonathan drouin. Not a center.

ACtually that's false. Pacioretty produced when he had one or both of Markov and Subban feeding him. Pacioretty even joked that he owed half of his goals to Markov, and once Markov was gone, oops, Max can't muster a 30 goals ratio (prorated).

Although, that doesn't take away from Max being much better than Drouin.

 

[Sky04]

Where in my post did i say DD was dynamic? I said he produced. Its fact. Most of Patches goals came from DDs assists. I didnt say Patches cant score goals. Laugh all you want, but if you go do a little research, you ll see quick enough that Patches/DD combined for most of their points together and at a higher ratio then at least half the leagues best duos at the time. Where i disagree is where you think, who you play with has no barring on your production. What happened last season, when Patches had no Radu ? Ya. 17 goals. Know how many were even strength? 1. Patches isnt Crosby or McDavid. He doesnt produce by himself. He is a sniper, much like Ryder was, who needs to have the puck placed on his stick, while he gets into position. Thats fact. Patches doesnt handle the puck and skate.

Drouin can create. He CAN put up points. I'll bet you if placed on the wing, for a full season - his production will at least double. You make it seem like Drouin is a 4th liner here. Have we watched the same Drouin throughout his career? Geez.

Truth is, we are trying to base 1 season of Drouin, out of position, vs 10 seasons of Patches as the teams top winger. Cant be so quick to dismiss a top talent like Drouin.

You think Drouin will score 92 points minimum this year? have you watched the same Drouin everyone else has? He should focus on breaking 60 points, you probably meant doubling his goal totals which was what? about 5 in the first 40 games? He CAN put up points? Well sure hasn't shown it. 4th liner? No but certainly not a 1st liner based on his play either.

What does it say about Drouin who is a playmaker and can't get Pacioretty to the same level DD was able to? Pacioretty was able to scored at 30+goals/60+point pace for 6 consecutive years before Drouin who probably could use half the consistency.

The only thing I agree with you is that Drouin can be great - if put in the right role, however he's definitely a complimentary player.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You think Drouin will score 92 points minimum this year? have you watched the same Drouin everyone else has? He should focus on breaking 60 points, you probably meant doubling his goal totals which was what? about 5 in the first 40 games? He CAN put up points? Well sure hasn't shown it. 4th liner? No but certainly not a 1st liner based on his play either.

What does it say about Drouin who is a playmaker and can't get Pacioretty to the same level DD was able to? Pacioretty was able to scored at 30+goals/60+point pace for 6 consecutive years before Drouin who probably could use half the consistency.

The only thing I agree with you is that Drouin can be great - if put in the right role, however he's definitely a complimentary player.

And you don't trade a top pairing potential prospect for a complimentary winger

 

[Hostile Offer]

so was Drouin in Tampa!!

now we saw the REAL DROUIN last season!!

We didn't, he was terribly miscast. Now put him back to wing where he belongs and he'll be a good one. But I never want to see him at C again, just dreadful.

 

[Sky04]

And you don't trade a top pairing potential prospect for a complimentary winger

Lets put it this way, nobody on Tampa reverses that trade or misses Drouin - based on this thread alone there are a ton of mixed reactions from you guys. I love his skillset but not his attitude and entitlement, of course he looks poised in MTL, it's easy when your GM doesn't let your coach discipline you.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lets put it this way, nobody on Tampa reverses that trade or misses Drouin - based on this thread alone there are a ton of mixed reactions from you guys. I love his skillset but not his attitude and entitlement, of course he looks poised in MTL, it's easy when your GM doesn't let your coach discipline you.

Premature evaluation. It's easy for Tampa not to miss him with the offense they have. It's also easy for the Habs to miss Sergachev with the LD depth we have. Give this trade some time.

 

[sandysan]

ACtually that's false. Pacioretty produced when he had one or both of Markov and Subban feeding him. Pacioretty even joked that he owed half of his goals to Markov, and once Markov was gone, oops, Max can't muster a 30 goals ratio (prorated).

Although, that doesn't take away from Max being much better than Drouin.

that and the empty nets, but is sure as hell wasn't David deharnais that drove Max's success. 30 with DD, 30 +/- without ( barring injury).

i suspect he will likely do exceptionally well in vegas, and will likely score more than 30, but I'd be amazed if he scored less.

 

[Sky04]

Premature evaluation. It's easy for Tampa not to miss him with the offense they have. It's also easy for the Habs to miss Sergachev with the LD depth we have. Give this trade some time.

I mean I'm not saying value wise it won't get better, Drouin will clearly improve once on wing and Sergachev could easily stagnate but character wise? Yeah it's a lot easier to root for Sergachev than Drouin.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I mean I'm not saying value wise it won't get better, Drouin will clearly improve once on wing and Sergachev could easily stagnate but character wise? Yeah it's a lot easier to root for Sergachev than Drouin.

I like to steer clear of how a player looks on a stacked team and how another player looks on a team with not much talent. Both of these kids are good. How good? It will take time to figure out who won this trade. At the moment, edge to Tampa. That could change in 12 months time.

 

[Chr1s97]

Galchenyuk shouldve stayed center last year, & let Drouin on the wing. Now Drouin will have a better season playin on the wing so will do a.g playing center in arizona.

 

[DAChampion]

It's easy to hate Drouin given that Bergevin has worshipped him, it's a "teacher's pet" effect.

However, we should not. Drouin is on the Habs now and he did not choose his privileged status. He has enough talent to be a top-50 forward at the NHL level if everything goes right, so that's what we should hope for.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It's easy to hate Drouin given that Bergevin has worshipped him, it's a "teacher's pet" effect.

However, we should not. Drouin is on the Habs now and he did not choose his privileged status. He has enough talent to be a top-50 forward at the NHL level if everything goes right, so that's what we should hope for.

It's hard to like a teacher's pet. No matter how hard I try, he's a reminder of what Bergevin did. Same for Shea.

Used to really like Weber. Now I don't hate him, but again, it's a reminder. I'd rather see the other guy on the ice and I'd rather see Serge on the ice than Drouin.

 

[sandysan]

It's easy to hate Drouin given that Bergevin has worshipped him, it's a "teacher's pet" effect.

However, we should not. Drouin is on the Habs now and he did not choose his privileged status. He has enough talent to be a top-50 forward at the NHL level if everything goes right, so that's what we should hope for.

No one ( well okay not no one) questions his talent, its his effort/commitment/ sense of entitlement that people question.

And it still doesn't make sense to hope that a complimentary player like drouin succeeds when there is no one to complement him.

That and dollars to donuts he plays 1C again when the wheels start to fall off. We will all get to say " see those shiny spinner rims on the Bonneville with a blown head gasket and leaking water pump, that's OUR winger, I mean center"

 

[Price4Prez]

lol... you didnt watch Serge play, it's obvious. While Mete is a slightly better skater, Serge moves the puck just fine. He's a slightly better passer than Mete, but has far superior offensive IQ. Saying "every player has their strenght" is just you using a generalization to put them on even footing, which is just wrong. If you watched him instead of just checking the stats collumn, you would have realized that he clearly has all the tools and offensive upside to be a top pairing D. Mete, whom I like very much, has some really great qualities, but also some huge shortcomings that makes one wonder if he'll ever be able to be a top pairing D. Few have those doubts about Serge.



Stop using that excuse. Serge (o,50) had FOUR times the PPG ratio Mete had (0,14). That's not just because of their different teamates, especially since Serge finished SECOND among Tampa's Ds.

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Maybe if I repeat it often enough you'll get it. He finished ahead of Girardi by a whopping 22 points, ahead of Stralman, Coburn and any other D not named Hedman on the team. If it were so easy to get points on the TB squad, howcome Kunitz finished with 11 points less than Serge. Even Ryan McDonagh, who is usually a 0,50 ppg player, was unable to muster more than 3 points in 14 games, which is not even 0,25 ppg.

If your pet theory was right McD, even on the second PP line should've been able to rack up points, no? But McD's stint had him finish with not even half of Serge's ppg ratio.

What this shows is that Serge has really good offensive upside, and you'd see that if you actually watched him play. And don't give a lie about seeing play. The fact you equate him to Mete makes it clear as day that you didn't watch Serge.

And then you compare to Mete, who wasn't able to outscore a ragtag group of dmen. He finished 7th among dmen and 21st on the team. Mike Rielly was able to get a point more than Mete in 30 games less. If it was so bad in Montreal and Mete was as good as Serge, Mete would've been able to do better than at least half of the Ds on the team. You can see this, not by looking at his points, but where he finished. Despite playing 50 games, he finished 7th among Ds and 21st on the team





Yes, it's about needing a LHPMD more than we needed a winger. Funny how someone who supports a dumbass move by our dumbass GM has the same blindspot when it comes to the importance of filling that LHPMD spot.




Drouin isn't better at his position than Serge. Serge had 13 points less, as a rookie, than Drouin's best season with the same offensive powerhouse. Even worst for Drouin, two ROOKIES had better seasons than Drouin had on the same team, and not as a rookie for the latter (Gourde and Point both had more than 10 points than Drouin's best season).

Serge will be a top pairing D. Not sure Drouin will even be a top line winger. We've had two top line wingers on our team the season before, two wingers who are undeniably better than Drouin, and some people actually doubt they are top line wingers, so imagine where that puts Drouin compared to them. Drouin, for now, is NOT top line material.


You said we lack vision which is pretty ironic since it's clear as day you didn't watch Serge.

Do you even re read what you write before posting? How can anyone, who actually knows hockey, take you seriously when you contridict yourself?

I say: Sergachev wishes he could skate and move the puck like Mete.
You say: Mete is a better skater, and Serge moves the puck just fine.

Yes, that is exactly what i said about his skating. And "moves the puck just fine" doesnt mean he is at par, it means he doesnt suck at it, which i never said.

Playing on the better team has everything to do with it? Are you serious right now? Playing on the best offence in the league compared to the 3rd worst has nothing to do with Serge having more points? Yaaaaa ok. So laughable it hurts. Forget knowing hockey, that is just basic common sense. You play, work, surrounded by better people, you become better at what you re doing,along with the overall result.

Drouin isnt better at his poisiton? You re comparing a dman vs a forward, which is apples and oranges. Even then, you say, he scored 13 pts less, but somehow, in your own world. That equates to better. 13 points less = more in your mind. Ok lol

Serg scored the majority of his points pre all star game and wasnt nearly as much of a factor closing the season out. Im sure you knew that thought before throwing out your McD numbers though.

Truth is... Drouin is a top talent. Sergachev is a good dman, but he is currently NOT anywhere near a norris nomination. He isnt even a #1 dman at the moment.

Fun fact: I own a home in Florida. Ive been to more Lightning games, than you've watched on TV in your life. Ive also watched more of Sergachev in person, than youve watched videos of him on YouTube.

I'd suggest directing your "if you've actually watched" narrative in the mirror. Because judging by some of the statements you've made, you not only havent watch Sergachev, or the Lighting, i doubt you've watched the Habs either.