Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin: To C Or Not to C

[Price4Prez]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

Oh, you're going in the future reference quote bin, mister vision extraordinaire.

Mete wouldn't put up the same numbers in TB, not even close. Mete wishes he had Serge's strenght and shot.

Also, Serge was 2nd for points among TB dmen. Mete couldn't even finish among the top 4 in Montreal.

Also, you lack vision if you think we need a winger like Drouin over a LHPMD like Serge.

 

[LaP]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

Sergachev had an outstanding OHL career. What makes you think he is not a number 1? At this point considering his outstanding junior career and his NHL debut it's more of a question between him being just a number 1 or a Norris caliber number 1.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Sergachev had an outstanding OHL career. What makes you think he is not a number 1? At this point considering his outstanding junior career and his NHL debut it's more of a question between him being just a number 1 or a Norris caliber number 1.

Whereas we're not even sure Mete will be a #2

 

[BaseballCoach]

Imagine if we'd started our rebuild a year sooner. We'd still have Sergachev and a much better future core to build around. By the time Suzuki, Kotkaniemi and others are here as key players Drouin will be up for a new contract. Even if he does well in that time he hurts our window with a big contract.
Domi will be as good as Drouin has been, and we payed a lesser(albeit better) price for him. Now we have two LW who are being forced to play Center when instead we could have had a #1 LD to anchor our D. Brook, Juulsen, Mete, etc. We could have had a strong foundation. Now we are missing a #1 D and a #1 C going forward. If everyone pans out maybe just the #1 D. But if we're picking top 5 we're going for Kakko or a C.

Long story short, we didn't need Drouin, and we still don't even after jettisoning our top 2 LWers.

It's worse than that. We could still have had Drouin, in all likelihood. TB was not going to protect him, so a deal was very possible. And to add insult to injury, once we did acquire him, we could have signed him for much less and at least had more cap to play with for 6 years.

 

[Kriss E]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

The only thing you showed here is you think Mete and Sergachev are similar players, which only proves you don't know squat about either.

And when did people suddenly decide that making the roster and hanging with the best of a contender is now easier than making the roster of a bottom team?

 

[DAChampion]

Whereas we're not even sure Mete will be a #2

Whereas we're not even sure Mete will be a #3.

 

[habsfan909]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

LOL This has to be the funniest post of the 2018.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

Truth is in the middle. Drouin is better than most are willing to admit (he is the only game breaking talent we have) and Sergachev is a very good young defenseman that needs to prove himself. Is he a #1D in the future? It's anybodies guess but he is a good one no doubt.

I think this trade is close but it's early.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's worse than that. We could still have had Drouin, in all likelihood. TB was not going to protect him, so a deal was very possible. And to add insult to injury, once we did acquire him, we could have signed him for much less and at least had more cap to play with for 6 years.

If not Sergachev, I don't think Yzerman liquidates Drouin for a cheaper return. It's very possible Yzerman keeps Drouin and explores other options trying to prepare for the cap and expansion draft. What do the Habs trade instead of Sergachev that other teams could not easily match?

 

[DAChampion]

If not Sergachev, I don't think Yzerman liquidates Drouin for a cheaper return. It's very possible Yzerman keeps Drouin and explores other options trying to prepare for the cap and expansion draft. What do the Habs trade instead of Sergachev that other teams could not easily match?

Juulsen maybe.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Juulsen maybe.

Maybe but I doubt it. Juulsen didn't even turn pro or play any AHL or NHL games at that point. I'm pretty sure Yzerman valued Drouin as a top 10 pick type talent. The minute you switch it to Juulsen, that opens up the door for Yzerman to make other phone calls to other GM and they could easily match the Juulsen value.

Now if Juulsen was 1 year more advanced, then it's a different story. I still don't think it's enough... even if we added a 2nd rounder

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm pretty sure Yzerman valued Drouin as a top 10 pick type talent.

LOL at not protecting someone you value highly.

Yzerman played Bergy, and Bergy got excited with the idea of another fancy new jouet.

 

[sandysan]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

With whom precisely as his center? Another winger-come-center like Domi?

Drouin isn't patches, if there is anyone to coattail ride he doesn't have it in him to be the difference himself. He's dependent on his linemates who will be another small winger tried and failed at center and enigmatic armia.

He might sell a lot of jerseys but he didn't then and doesn't now address a critical need ( unlike what sergachev would). Would he be as good here as in Tampa? Hell no. But he would still be in our top 3 with Weber out and with room to grow. Drouin is Drouin, a complimentary small winger with speed and not a lot of consitent commitment to all facets of the game.

If that is winning the trade I think we are playing very different games.

 

[DAChampion]

Maybe but I doubt it. Juulsen didn't even turn pro or play any AHL or NHL games at that point. I'm pretty sure Yzerman valued Drouin as a top 10 pick type talent. The minute you switch it to Juulsen, that opens up the door for Yzerman to make other phone calls to other GM and they could easily match the Juulsen value.

Now if Juulsen was 1 year more advanced, then it's a different story. I still don't think it's enough

Sure Yzerman valued Drouin, but he was going to lose him regardless.

Other GMs are mostly a moot point. The Habs were an exception: they believed themselves a playoff team, and they had extra protection slots.

Guys like Jordie Benn were being protected. He might have been the worst protected player in the NHL.

 

[Habs Halifax]

LOL at not protecting someone you value highly.

Yzerman played Bergy, and Bergy got excited with the idea of another fancy new jouet.

We didn't get played. Drouin is a dam good talent. It required Sergachev. You can make the argument that we should of kept Sergachev but the trade is not bad. The idea that Yzerman was trading Drouin for cheap is ridiculous. Remember the rumors before the trade went down? It was Galchenyuk and a 1st.

 

[BaseballCoach]

We didn't get played. Drouin is a dam good talent. It required Sergachev. You can make the argument that we should of kept Sergachev but the trade is not bad. The idea that Yzerman was trading Drouin for cheap is ridiculous. Remember the rumors before the trade went down? It was Galchenyuk and a 1st.

Yzerman had pegged Drouin as his 8th or 9th most important forward. How is a potential Norris contender or winner the price to pay for that?

It is simply mind-boggling. The only way this happens is that Bergevin did NOT value Sergachev correctly as having that potential and a decent chance of reaching it.

The trade is not made if it were Samson versus Drovinskov one on one.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sure Yzerman valued Drouin, but he was going to lose him regardless.

Other GMs are mostly a moot point. The Habs were an exception: they believed themselves a playoff team, and they had extra protection slots.

Guys like Jordie Benn were being protected. He might have been the worst protected player in the NHL.

Don't remind me of that off season. Protecting Benn over Beaulieu was a dumb move.... even if you don't value Beaulieu. Beaulieu is a big body, is tough, and he can at least skate, make passes, and he has a shot. Bergevin with his Benn and Alzner type thinking was horrible.

I'm not sure Yzerman was exploring moving only Drouin. He had a few other options but once Sergachev came into the picture, he was willing to move his former top 5 pick. Yes, Drouin was his best piece to move and get a return but if he didn't get a good return, he wasn't stuck with only that option.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yzerman had pegged Drouin as his 8th or 9th most important forward. How is a potential Norris contender or winner the price to pay for that?

It is simply mind-boggling. The only way this happens is that Bergevin did NOT value Sergachev correctly as having that potential and a decent chance of reaching it.

The trade is not made if it were Samson versus Drovinskov one on one.

A potential Norris for a guy who played 4 NHL games with 0 points? Come on man. That is very premature. It's still premature after the good season Sergachev had. Sure, keep pumping Sergachev's tires and deflating Drouin's.

We are very far apart on how we see this. Bergevin did value Sergachev very high. He refused to trade him for Duchane when a lot of Habs fans on these boards would of made that trade at the 2017 NHL deadline! Both Drouin and Sergachev are very good young hockey players. Get use to it.

You evaluate Bergevin like this... Dam, we should of drafted Zadina instead of Kotkaniemi cause Bergevin failed to realize he would get Suzuki when he traded Patch. Bergevin deserves heat cause he made several questionable moves but every move he makes is not terrible. Sergachev for Drouin is not a bad trade. Your hate for Bergevin clouds your judgment on how good Drouin is IMO.

The idea that people think we could of got Drouin for cheap is ridiculous.

 

[montreal25m]

We didn't get played. Drouin is a dam good talent. It required Sergachev. You can make the argument that we should of kept Sergachev but the trade is not bad. The idea that Yzerman was trading Drouin for cheap is ridiculous. Remember the rumors before the trade went down? It was Galchenyuk and a 1st.

I am just going to throw in my two cents in here. One, let’s give this trade a few more years. In addition, Sergechev was really sheltered in Tampa. He was averaging what... 13-15 mins a game and a healthy scratch for a few. He had a good year offensively but those numbers would have not translated in Montreal. He was more like a PP specialist. Let’s see if he is a guy that can be a 25-30 min a night player.

 

[tazsub3]

So many of you lack vision,its crazy.

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on. Throw Mete on TB and he puts up the same numbers.

Drouin is a #1 winger. Give him a season at wing with pp time and top mins and he will put up the pts.

I agree with the first part of your statement, now if drouin plays the way he can, then i agree with the full statement.
Sergachev is a good dmen, but as of now he is not what people make him to be, and he is much better cause he is on a top tampa team.
But it is also hard to miss the talent he has, and that he can be a top dmen, but i sure would still take noah and the stability he brings over him.

 

[BaseballCoach]

A potential Norris for a guy who played 4 NHL games with 0 points? Come on man. That is very premature. It's still premature after the good season Sergachev had. Sure, keep pumping Sergachev's tires and deflating Drouin's.

We are very far apart on how we see this. Bergevin did value Sergachev very high. He refused to trade him for Duchane when a lot of Habs fans on these boards would of made that trade at the 2017 NHL deadline! Both Drouin and Sergachev are very good young hockey players. Get use to it.

You evaluate Bergevin like this... Dam, we should of drafted Zadina instead of Kotkaniemi cause Bergevin failed to realize he would get Suzuki when he traded Patch. Bergevin deserves heat cause he made several questionable moves but every move he makes is not terrible. Sergachev for Drouin is not a bad trade. Your hate for Bergevin clouds your judgment on how good Drouin is IMO.

The idea that people think we could of got Drouin for cheap is ridiculous.

Cheap-ER, not "cheap". Drouin is a good player but not Hart potential. Drouin did not win Forward of the Year in the best Junior League in Canada at age 17.

And no, I am not the kind of person who blames Bergevin for drafting Kotka BECAUSE Suzuki was acquired later. That kind of thinking is warped.

I don't "hate" Bergevin. I have analyzed his moves, praised his good ones, and criticized his bad ones. I was not even against the Subban trade and said many times it was a fair deal for both teams. But he has overpaid in many deals, and on many contracts.

My overall judgment after 6 years is more negative than positive, and I do have zero respect for how he blames everyone but himself for what happens on his squad. He also operates with clear double standards that most people can easily see.

None of this means Drouin is no good. He's one of our better players but I would have preferred to keep Sergachev.

 

[habsgirl5000]

We won that Drouin deal by a landslide-you just dont see it yet. You guys act like Sergachev is a #1 D. He is a product of the team he plays on.

so was Drouin in Tampa!!

now we saw the REAL DROUIN last season!!

 

[Le Tricolore]

so was Drouin in Tampa!!

now we saw the REAL DROUIN last season!!

No we didn't. We see him playing out of position.

If he plays as a winger this year, which by all accounts seems to be the case, then we can start to see what type of player he'll be.

 

[crosbyshow]

so was Drouin in Tampa!!

now we saw the REAL DROUIN last season!!

Yeah right at center .....