I looked at total D-zone starts from the last 3 full seasons.
1281 to 1226. (Brodin)
See your point though.
The chance the Vegas takes him if left unprotected is about 99,99999999999999...6
Hope we can all just move on from the "I don't really see the point of Brodin" conversations.
It was pure filthness, especially when heard that zing and moments afterwards understood what happened.. Brodin with the benefits. Gold.
E: But those Golden whatever Vegasese.. it's a no no. Someone else must be handed for them. Kind of tough because Zucker, Granny, Dumba been looking real good too lately.
Whoever it is, we must have them strapped on an Aztec altar, with Fletcher above him with a ceremonial knife, ready to carve out his heart the moment LV selects him( Dumba must be intoning Aztec rituals in the background).
Or is that a bit overboard?
What was the origin of "Bacon" again? And on that topic, why is JEE "Oak"? I seem to remember it being related to Professor Oak.
Brodin was gifted by his Farjestad teammates a semi load of bacon, after that the nicname stuck, even on this side of the pond. Ek directly translates to Oak from Swedish to English.
The BEST forwards... yes, they do infact do both. Just as the BEST defensemen also do both.Everyone’s opinions are valid...like I mentioned. I appreciate both your responses to my post.
Talon- you’ve been a poster here for a long time and most of what you say I think I usually agree with. I just don’t agree that the best defensmen do both argument. Again... just my opinion. I don’t argue that the best forwards are also both great and accumulating points as also being great defensively. Most high end point producing forwards lack in the defensive side of the game. Not all...just most. That being said...why hold defensmen to a different standard?
2pair- also appreciate your opinion and input. I think Brodin has an above average pass to the forwards. It’s not Suter level by any means, but is better than most.
Again...I’m not saying Brodin is the end all be all of defensmen, but what he has to offer is more of what is needed. We have nobody in the system that we know that can replace Suter when he starts to decline. Brodin is the closest.
I can appreciate that. Thanks for explaining further on your side. Again...opinions are a learning experience and you usually have insight. I still prefer my highly reliable Brodin, over someone like Dumba who is a defensive nightmare. Either way...like you... I want the best for this team.The BEST forwards... yes, they do infact do both. Just as the BEST defensemen also do both.
If you are an elite player in your own zone, and you are also in the top 5% in your position at producing points, you are infact doing both and that makes you better than someone who may be elite in their own zone but avg or below avg in the offensive zone.
Sidney Crosby, for all the points he gets... he's not a "passenger" in the defensive zone himself. Is he a Bergeron level defensive player? No, but he's above avg. That's why he's still a better player overall than Connor McMuffins who has a long ways to go yet in the defensive zone.
It's not a double standard at all. Quite simply, the best players (both forward and defense) play well at both ends of the ice.
In the end, LHD are easy to find overall. There are so many LHD in the league it's crazy. It's RHD that is harder to find. Brodin plays well at one end of the ice in an easily replaceable position. He's not a Suter replacement, because he can't replace Suter at both ends. Brodin is best in a 2nd pairing role, getting defense heavy zone starts. Suter is an every situation defender who produces at a high level at both ends of the ice. If a replacement is found for him, it likely isn't Brodin in the long run at this point, it would likely be found elsewhere - ie via the draft, trade or free agency if/when the time comes.
Also, it wasn't our defense overall that was a problem vs the Jets anyway. It was forwards. Seeler played well, and if Brodin is moved in the short-term, I'm confident he can move up to a 2nd pair role along side Spurgeon. I'd be perfectly fine with a top 4 of Suter-Dumba, Seeler-Spurgeon at this point if it meant we could use the value of Brodin to inject some young skill into the forward ranks via prospect or maybe a player that has the skill but just needs a change of scenery to break out.
Except he's nowhere near a defensive nightmare.I can appreciate that. Thanks for explaining further on your side. Again...opinions are a learning experience and you usually have insight. I still prefer my highly reliable Brodin, over someone like Dumba who is a defensive nightmare. Either way...like you... I want the best for this team.
I just think he’s undervalued what he can be for this team in the future. If he gets traded...he gets traded. I just think the Jets series could have ended up worse than it already was without Brodin.
Not everyone will agree on everything someone else has to say. That’s why we’ll have a new GM soon. Again...different opinions created ideas, jobs and better solutions to problems. I’m just presenting mine to anyone who gives a ****.
He's a valuable piece that can help change the forward lines.Suter might not recover, or recover fully from his injury.
Olofsson can't stay on the ice and was iffy when he was on it.
Seeler has 27 gp in the NHL.
Don't see how any of the facts above lead to a conclusion that Brodin should be made available in trade.