Jon Cooper says Kadri goal shouldn’t have counted, but wouldn’t say why

[AvroArrow]

The point is that Kadri is only able to transition that fast (against a defense that was just hemmed in their zone) because he jumped on extremely extremely early.

Yet the 2 extra tampa skaters that stepped on early to back check, before their guy actually went off isn't a problem.

 

[TheNumber4]

Looks like there is a good chance that Kardi replaced the man that was going off on that change.

If Kadri jumped on way early, to get to that position before the guy getting off was anywhere near the bench. Then Cooper does have a valid complaint.

The NHL rulebook does outline a distance from the bench that constitutes a good change. We’re going to need a better angle though to know for sure.

 

[not a troll]

I hope Jon Cooper continues to dwell on this tomorrow and forgets he has a game on Friday.

 

[zxcvnm]

I mean, let's look at this reasonably. Was Kadri the guy coming on the ice for the guy who was changing? If he was, Cooper is totally right.

The broadcast didn't make it clear if that was the case, but if Kadri was the guy who just jumped on and the Avs player wasn't on the bench, Cooper is correct that was a too many men on the ice penalty.

If you look at the original scorecard based on player tracking, 4, 6 and 42 were on the ice. Three defenseman. The updated scorecard removed 6 (EJ). Seems unlikely that it was Kadri’s guy coming off. I think it was EJ coming off for Manson.

 

[AvsWraith]

This is dumb. The refs had their whistles put away. Landy got away with tripping Hedman, Nuke was hooked and didn't get the call, and Kadri was tripped and didn't get a call. Stop your bitching, Cooper. There were penalties on both sides that didn't get called. The refs let the players settle it.

 

[AvroArrow]

Why didn't Tampa just sit on Kadri or yank his stick out of his hand ?

 

[Tom Hanks]

7 Tampa players vs 6 Colorado players

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Looks like there is a good chance that Kardi replaced the man that was going off on that change.

Wasn’t Kadri. He has the puck here. It was the guy labelled 5 (in red)

 

[rocketdan9]

What Cooper meant to say...

How could Kadri be so cold??

"That goal broke my heart. Wtf man"

 

[Avs2022]

Honestly, Avs dominated the OT, hit two posts before the Kadri goal. Felt like it was a matter of time before the Avs put this one away.

Maybe Cooper should have commented on that OT performance.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Can you remind me what game and what score that goal happened ?

It was game 2. That goal gave the lightning a 2-1 lead and they won 4-2. Was a huge momentum shift. Lightning scored 2 goals in the third and Isles got one back with 4 minutes to go.

Here's a sportsnet clip.

I'd like to remind everyone they scored the only goal of game 7 with too many men as well, but not as egregious as this example, way more similar to what happened tonight. The one in game 2 though there is no denying it's a missed a call and only 1 of the 7 players is actually changing.

 

[Cypher]

Cooper just trying to butter up the NHL and refs for more calls next game, that's all.

Did he complain in previous playoff series when TB scored with too many men?
Was he not allotted at least 30 seconds longer than normal to review the off-site goal in game 3?

Cries at the first chance something doesn't go their way, but looks the complete other way when they get the favorable calls, which are plentiful.

Grow up, the better team won today. And no one on TB or the coaching staff complained of too many man after it was scored, only after back in the dressing room. Tells you it was a nothing play.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If you look at the original scorecard based on player tracking, 4, 6 and 42 were on the ice. Three defenseman. The updated scorecard removed 6 (EJ). Seems unlikely that it was Kadri’s guy coming off.

Yeah and if that's the case, it's a totally fine goal.

In this case, a "too many men" penalty is a function of whether Kadri played the puck before the guy he replaced got off the ice. The Avs could have 9 guys on the ice, but if Kadri's guy was off the ice when Kadri played the puck and no one else had an impact on the play, it's not a "too many men on the ice" penalty.

 

[Bood12]

whining cry baby

 

[Avaholic29]

Case closed, Tampa fought hard and I thought they had the game at plenty of points but there is no asterisk on this win.

 

[The Merchant]

No talk about Tampa having 6 on the ice at the same time, either. Cry me a f***ing river.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It was game 2. That goal gave the lightning a 2-1 lead and they won 4-2. Was a huge momentum shift. Lightning scored 2 goals in the third and Isles got one back with 4 minutes to go.

Here's a sportsnet clip.

I'd like to remind everyone they scored the only goal of game 7 with too many men as well, but not as egregious as this example.

That is objectively not a "too many men" penalty.

That's just misunderstanding the rules to say that would be the case.

 

[Foppberg]

 

[LeapOnOver]

That is objectively not a "too many men" penalty.

That's just misunderstanding the rules to say that would be the case.

Huh? There's only 1 guy of the 7 actually changing. That still leaves 6 men.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Huh? There's only 1 guy of the 7 actually changing. That still leaves 6 men.

A change behind the play that had no impact on the goal is never called for a too many men penalty.

 

[huerter]

Yet the 2 extra tampa skaters that stepped on early to back check, before their guy actually went off isn't a problem.

You don't have to "actually be off" when your team is defending. But you can't be receiving a pass down the middle of the ice while the guy who you changed for is a few strides from the bench.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

its hard to win the cup when you play a full season not every team does it

 

[rocketdan9]

If Kadri jumped on way early, to get to that position before the guy getting off was anywhere near the bench. Then Cooper does have a valid complaint.

The NHL rulebook does outline a distance from the bench that constitutes a good change. We’re going to need a better angle though to know for sure.

You know how many rules were broken during this game...especially in the 3rd and OT?

Refs werent going to blow the whistle.... unless someone purposely hacked someone.

The whistle was put away. It was better for it

 

[AvroArrow]

its hard to win the cup when you play a full season not every team does it

Or when you're not 18M over the cap

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

I don't have to imagine.

Just try.

82 games + play offs + Stanley Cup. Wow, imagine that feeling. Imagine.

 

[BigCKU]

I can’t get a clear picture but it looks like that was Landeskog going off the ice not MacKinnon. That would not have been Kadri’s replacement that would have been Nuchuskin’s replacement. Nichushkin was closer to the Avs bench than Kadri and closer to the bench than either of the TB players who replaced the 2 TB players getting off the ice. Box score is weird because those numbers suggest Avs had 3 defensemen on the ice not 4 Fs.