Jon Cooper says Kadri goal shouldn’t have counted, but wouldn’t say why

[AvalancheRy]

He’s not wrong.

Colorado’s guy is close to being in the play. Tampa’s guys are so far away from the play it’s not funny.

Cooper is onto something here, no matter what Avs fans will say.

He's completely wrong. There are actually 7 Lightning dudes on the ice at the time too - two in the same position as Mack. Those kind of line changes happen literally every single game and it had ZERO impact on the game here.

Now do the high stick on Kuemper on the first goal.

I like Cooper but he had a loser mindset tonight.

 

[Foppberg]

 

[TheNumber4]

Can you remind me what game and what score that goal happened ?

 

[huerter]

While the too many men did allow for a quicker transition, I would have a much bigger problem with it if it was one that caused confusion for the Tampa defenders. That wasn't the case in this type of too many men. So while it's not a great look, occasionally in such a fast paced game this is going to happen.

 

[logan5]

Maybe this?

So Kadri is coming on for (can't make out the number) the guy at top right, that's pretty damn early because Kadri is already more than half way across the ice, and Kadri takes a pass., and the subbing player is still not off the ice. Cooper might have a legit beef here. Need to confirm though that that was the sequence.

 

[Avsboy]

6ixgate. As in, "Avs beat Tampa when the 6ix (Toronto) couldn't??"

 

[BKarchitect]

 

[Master P]

So Kadri is coming on for (can't make out the number) the guy at top right, that's pretty damn early because Kadri is already more than half way across the ice, and Kadri takes a pass. Cooper might have a legit beef here. Need to confirm though that that was the sequence.

Yes, thats why I'm guessing Cooper is upset.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Looks like the bolts had more skaters on the ice too lol.

 

[LOFIN]

Matters f*** all because players are still allowed some leeway for line changes. It's when they interfere with the play when it becomes an issue.

And no, before someone says just have the 6th skater go around the rink away from the puck, therefore not interfering with the play, that's not how it works either.

 

[Master P]

Looks like the bolts had more skaters on the ice too lol.

Refs always give D men leeway since they aren't effecting the play.

Its a bigger deal when a forward jumps on early and scores in OT.

 

[logan5]

Looks like the bolts had more skaters on the ice too lol.

Surely you know that's not the same thing as far as too many men rule goes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I mean, let's look at this reasonably. Was Kadri the guy coming on the ice for the guy who was changing? If he was, Cooper is totally right.

The broadcast didn't make it clear if that was the case, but if Kadri was the guy who just jumped on and the Avs player wasn't on the bench, Cooper is correct that was a too many men on the ice penalty.

 

[Tom Hanks]

7 Tampa players vs 6 Colorado players

 

[Breakers]

Spare me that BS

Kadri went 3 on 1 and got that type of scoring chance

play some frigan defense
Kadri isnt even that good of skater and he beat 3 tampa players to the net because they got puck watching a stretch pass

 

[MoeTheHobo]

I mean, let's look at this reasonably.

What is that word "reasonably"???

 

[Empoleon8771]

The big thing I've learned from this thread is that hockey fans do not understand how "too many men" penalties work

Generally speaking, the penalty is only called when an extra skater plays the puck (meaning a guy who just got on plays the puck) or if there is an extended stretch for over 5 men on the ice. A change where a team has 7 players on the ice, but the 2 players who got on didn't have an impact on the play, isn't a "too many men" penalty.

That's why this really depends on when Kadri got on the ice. if he was replacing the guy who was not off the ice yet, it is 100% a too many men penalty and shouldn't have counted. Period, that's an objective truth with it.

 

[AvroArrow]

Refs always give D men leeway since they aren't effecting the play.

Its a bigger deal when a forward jumps on early and scores in OT.

Or you could just play better defence and not allow him to come right up the middle ? Tampa has 7 guys on the ice and lightning fans are complaining about too many men lol

 

[BigCKU]

So TB had 7 guys on the ice, 2 of them doing exactly what MacKinnon is doing which is stepping off the ice. Seems like a non-issue.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I mean, let's look at this reasonably. Was Kadri the guy coming on the ice for the guy who was changing? If he was, Cooper is totally right.

The broadcast didn't make it clear if that was the case, but if Kadri was the guy who just jumped on and the Avs player wasn't on the bench, Cooper is correct that was a too many men on the ice penalty.

Looks like there is a good chance that Kardi replaced the man that was going off on that change.

 

[huerter]

Spare me that BS

Kadri went 3 on 1 and got that type of scoring chance

play some frigan defense
Kadri isnt even that good of skater and he beat 3 tampa players to the net because they got puck watching a stretch pass

The point is that Kadri is only able to transition that fast (against a defense that was just hemmed in their zone) because he jumped on extremely extremely early.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Rumor has it the officials are still giving John Cooper time to decide if he wants to challenge the play.

 

[JWK]

Cooper knows it has to be 7 players in the playoffs to be legal, not 6.

 

[logan5]

I mean, let's look at this reasonably. Was Kadri the guy coming on the ice for the guy who was changing? If he was, Cooper is totally right.

The broadcast didn't make it clear if that was the case, but if Kadri was the guy who just jumped on and the Avs player wasn't on the bench, Cooper is correct that was a too many men on the ice penalty.

Just watched the replay again. The camera doesn't pan over in time to see changes. Need an over head shot of that sequence. Anybody got one?

 

[TD Charlie]

How far had Kadri gone before the player subbing out was near the bench? Cooper might have a case, but too f***in bad. You had two guys get burned in 1 go, and then your goalie disappears.

Colorado dominated the overtime, and it was evident five minutes into the third period that the officials were only there for show. The refs might as well have dropped the puck and left the arena, and everybody knew it well in advance.