JOKERIT 2020-2021 (GOING ALL IN?)

[TheWhiskeyThief]

The numbers you listed.

Plus the abbreviation for million is one "m", not two.

No, it’s not.

m is thousand, but has been supplanted by k due to computer programmers.

mm is thousand thousand to illustrate million.

 

[Jussi]

No, it’s not.

m is thousand, but has been supplanted by k due to computer programmers.

mm is thousand thousand to illustrate million.

Millions, Billions and Other Large Numbers

Some (especially older) finance texts use M for thousand and MM for million, which can be a source of confusion as M is now widely used to denote million in North America.

Even on this site, pretty much everyone uses "m" for million.

 

[vorky]

Don't tell that to the KHL mouthpiece. The idea of financially independent European teams in growing and improving domestic leagues goes against the perfect world where a Russian-dominated international league goes from Atlantic to Pacific Oceans.

That is your opinion on future development in European club hockey. But I do not share your opinion.

I am 1000% for strong & independent European clubs if their budgets are at least on the level of top KHL teams, the best scenario would be if their budgets double or triple the KHL!!! Again, I am 1000% for that!!

The sad part of the story is that I do not see any such clubs now. And, unfortunately, I do not see any process going this direction for future. And that is sad.

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

That is your opinion on future development in European club hockey. But I do not share your opinion.

I am 1000% for strong & independent European clubs if their budgets are at least on the level of top KHL teams, the best scenario would be if their budgets double or triple the KHL!!! Again, I am 1000% for that!!

The sad part of the story is that I do not see any such clubs now. And, unfortunately, I do not see any process going this direction for future. And that is sad.

And it is horrible you say their budgets should be similar. The reason the KHL is better is because of the higher budget. The reason the KHL has financial problems is because of the higher budget. Spending and living within means while being sustainable is better than living like Slovan, Praha, Poprad, Zagreb for a few seasons. Whenever these Russian operated companies no longer want to keep losing money, the KHL is finished. KHL would be much more stable, not losing countless teams, if they spent within their means. Not like SKA with to buy any player Gasprom allows.

 

[Jussi]

And it is horrible you say their budgets should be similar. The reason the KHL is better is because of the higher budget. The reason the KHL has financial problems is because of the higher budget. Spending and living within means while being sustainable is better than living like Slovan, Praha, Poprad, Zagreb for a few seasons. Whenever these Russian operated companies no longer want to keep losing money, the KHL is finished. KHL would be much more stable, not losing countless teams, if they spent within their means. Not like SKA with to buy any player Gasprom allows.

European clubs are surviving and existing because they live within their means. Bottomline matters to an overwhelming majority of them. They're not going to suddenly start spending beyond their means because some person on the internet wants them to. It would drive them to bankruptcy very quickly because they don't have an oligarch/regional governor/major energy company supporting them. Liiga clubs adjust their budgets if they have bad financial year. For example Ässät had a bad year the previous year, adjusted and despite a shortened season that cut profits by 100K, ended up with a 134K € profit. It is completely unrealistic to wish for hockey clubs to double or triple their budgets (especially now) on a continent where football is THE sport.

 

[Jussi]

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

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Even on this site, pretty much everyone uses "m" for million.

Sorry I’m old. Still using it.

 

[member 305909]

If any other Finnish team had in mind to follow the example of Jokerit and join the KHL they surely don't think so any more.

 

[Rigafan]

Well that would be a shame and interesting what effect it would have on Riga's support.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

Well that would be a shame and interesting what effect it would have on Riga's support.

Parachuting then into Liiga along with Jokerit wouldn’t be the worst thing. The travel from Helsinki to Riga can’t be worse than to Olou.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

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Even on this site, pretty much everyone uses "m" for million.

The textbook example of someone talking past another on purpose.

 

[Jussi]

Parachuting then into Liiga along with Jokerit wouldn’t be the worst thing. The travel from Helsinki to Riga can’t be worse than to Olou.

Where the hell is that?

 

[Jussi]

The textbook example of someone talking past another on purpose.

Apparently you're so old that you forgot that you already replied to that post.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I've read in Russian press, that Jokerit can play some games in S.-Petersburg, if they don't allow hockey in Finland or don't let KHL teams come to the country.

 

[Albatros]

If they don't allow any hockey in Finland then sure, but if Liiga is played with attendance then they can't afford to stay in Russia for long.

 

[Jussi]

I've read in Russian press, that Jokerit can play some games in S.-Petersburg, if they don't allow hockey in Finland or don't let KHL teams come to the country.

Liiga season begins October first and that's when indoor public event limits end. 500 until then.

 

[Jussi]

If they don't allow any hockey in Finland then sure, but if Liiga is played with attendance then they can't afford to stay in Russia for long.

There would be major issues with their insurance company if they don't follow government guidelines. They're the ones who put a stop to their season.

 

[Albatros]

The government isn't going to ban them from playing in Russia no matter what, the only relevant question regarding the authorities is whether travel without lengthy quarantine will be possible over the border. If attendance is not allowed in Finland then it hits Liiga teams the same way, and in that scenario going to Russia isn't as much of a problem. But if Liiga resumes normally and Jokerit go to Russia then that's a major PR disaster.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The government isn't going to ban them from playing in Russia no matter what, the only relevant question regarding the authorities is whether travel without lengthy quarantine will be possible over the border. If attendance is not allowed in Finland then it hits Liiga teams the same way, and in that scenario going to Russia isn't as much of a problem. But if Liiga resumes normally and Jokerit go to Russia then that's a major PR disaster.

As far as I understand, the problem is pandemia is almost nonexistent in Finland right now, while there are still quite a few (almost 6k yesterday) COVID cases in Russia. Of course, the situation can change closer to October, so Jokerit will play in Finland.

 

[Albatros]

Travel restrictions are a complicated matter, hypothetically the situation could improve in Russia but worsen in another bordering country. In that case travel restrictions concerning Russia would likely remain in place in part or full because of diplomatic considerations.

 

[vorky]

 

[Jussi]

Travel restrictions are a complicated matter, hypothetically the situation could improve in Russia but worsen in another bordering country. In that case travel restrictions concerning Russia would likely remain in place in part or full because of diplomatic considerations.

I would imagine the next phase would be travel allowed but 14 day quarantine would be mandatory.

 

[NJ Fan 12]

European clubs are surviving and existing because they live within their means. Bottomline matters to an overwhelming majority of them. They're not going to suddenly start spending beyond their means because some person on the internet wants them to. It would drive them to bankruptcy very quickly because they don't have an oligarch/regional governor/major energy company supporting them. Liiga clubs adjust their budgets if they have bad financial year. For example Ässät had a bad year the previous year, adjusted and despite a shortened season that cut profits by 100K, ended up with a 134K € profit. It is completely unrealistic to wish for hockey clubs to double or triple their budgets (especially now) on a continent where football is THE sport.

By "football" you mean soccer, right?

 

[Jussi]

By "football" you mean soccer, right?

Of course because hardly anyone cares about American football in Europe.

 

[Rigafan]

Parachuting then into Liiga along with Jokerit wouldn’t be the worst thing. The travel from Helsinki to Riga can’t be worse than to Olou.

I wouldn't mind to see that if the KHL became a no go for us. I think the level of Riga without actually spending money is not so high currently, look at our results and the quality of players that are brought it. It's almost pointless