Confirmed with Link: John Chayka Terminates Contract with Coyotes; Steve Sullivan named interim GM

[ParisSaintGermain]

Chiarelli in action

 

[DOTS13]

Chiarelli in action

Lol - that last part is like me trying to trade in fantasy hockey... Not a clue what I'm doing.

 

[rt]

Chiarelli in action

Worst part is that even after he was dumb enough to trade Tyler Seguin for Loui Eriksson, he went on to a new team and traded Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson. You just shouldn’t be able to come back from that. He just doesn’t deserve another chance.

 

[Canis Latrans]

Friedman says Chayka has receipts....

Aside from Friedman looking absolutely feral, it sounds like the issue is entirely going to revolve around the purpose of the trip. The Coyotes saying no first demonstrates they had zero interest in offering him the opportunity to job seek with another NHL owner, but relenting upon it either means they changed their mind or it really was told to them that it was an intelligence gathering mission. It's also possible that's what Chayka was told otherwise by the other NHL owner and then they surprised him with an offer once the audience was granted.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

I believe the preferred phrase is "their lawyers held differing opinions".

Only if you believe lawyers can't be incompetent morons....which...oh, right you were a lawyer

 

[Canis Latrans]

Worst part is that even after he was dumb enough to trade Tyler Seguin for Loui Eriksson, he went on to a new team and traded Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson. You just shouldn’t be able to come back from that. He just doesn’t deserve another chance.

If we're hiring multiple positions, it's possible he could come on as a president of whatever, but it would have to be away from making personnel decisions. This could be similar to Fenton with the Wild where he was atrocious when he had the autonomy to make player decisions for the club, but when he was in charge of, I think, scouting, for Nashville, he excelled.

 

[rt]

If we're hiring multiple positions, it's possible he could come on as a president of whatever, but it would have to be away from making personnel decisions. This could be similar to Fenton with the Wild where he was atrocious when he had the autonomy to make player decisions for the club, but when he was in charge of, I think, scouting, for Nashville, he excelled.

What’s the point? It wasn’t just Seguin and Hall. I mean, Eberle for Strome and then Strome for Spooner. A 1st (Barzal) and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart. The Milan Lucic contract. The Koskinen contract. It goes on and on. And that’s just the stuff he did after he had a chance to learn from his many mistakes in Boston.

 

[Canis Latrans]

What’s the point? It wasn’t just Seguin and Hall. I mean, Eberle for Strome and then Strome for Spooner. A 1st (Barzal) and a 2nd for Griffin Reinhart. The Milan Lucic contract. The Koskinen contract. It goes on and on. And that’s just the stuff he did after he had a chance to learn from his many mistakes in Boston.

It's the only way I could see him being hired by the team is the point - there's no way he's acceptable in any player personnel decision-making quantity. Just positing.

 

[rt]

@Mosby - I wonder if hiring Laurence Gilman wouldn’t be a way to get Gillis involved without actually having Gillis run the show. I could see Gilman bringing Gillis into the fold in a more specialized fashion (which seems to be Gillis’ preference anyhow). Just a thought.

 

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@Mosby - I wonder if hiring Laurence Gilman wouldn’t be a way to get Gillis involved without actually having Gillis run the show. I could see Gilman bringing Gillis into the fold in a more specialized fashion (which seems to be Gillis’ preference anyhow). Just a thought.

Gillis seems to offend the old boys club, both as a GM and an ex agent. He's also into all the same things Chayka is, so it's weird for you to want him after being disgusted with Chayka.

Mike Gillis ready to return to NHL, but not as general manager - Sportsnet.ca

 

[LuckyNumber11]

Listening to Gambo on the radio, he thinks that it had something to do with a mega GM job like the Devils scenario was where he would be overseeing the Devils, 76ers and whatever soccer teams. Coyotes allowed it because they didn’t think the job was hockey related at all but come to find out it was and are now (clearly) pissed.
Seems like the common theme has been that it was a misunderstanding of what the position is and I’m inclined to think that Chayka wasn’t entirely straightforward with our front office brass.

 

[rt]

Gillis seems to offend the old boys club, both as a GM and an ex agent. He's also into all the same things Chayka is, so it's weird for you to want him after being disgusted with Chayka.

Mike Gillis ready to return to NHL, but not as general manager - Sportsnet.ca

It’s Chayka plus 20+ years in NHL/AHL front offices in multiple locations under multiple regimes.

If anything, he’s a good bridge between the two worlds.

EDIT: oh - you’re talking about Gillis. I was talking about Gilman as GM with Gillis around in an advisory role.

 

[TheLegend]

Only if you believe lawyers can't be incompetent morons....which...oh, right you were a lawyer

Don’t be disparaging my legal moose.

 

[Stumbledore]

Only if you believe lawyers can't be incompetent morons....which...oh, right you were a lawyer

Yep, certainly believe lawyers can be incompetent morons. Saw enough examples to last me a lifetime. Was just trying to be cute with the previous post.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

Does anyone here want to pretend they weren’t embarrassed when Steve Yzerman took a shot at Chayka recently? I know it stung me.

I want a GM that inspires something other than eyerolls among his contemporaries. I’d like a well-respected manager in that position if possible.

Can you go into more detail over what Yzerman said? I’m unfamiliar and interested

 

[BUX7PHX]

Listening to Gambo on the radio, he thinks that it had something to do with a mega GM job like the Devils scenario was where he would be overseeing the Devils, 76ers and whatever soccer teams. Coyotes allowed it because they didn’t think the job was hockey related at all but come to find out it was and are now (clearly) pissed.
Seems like the common theme has been that it was a misunderstanding of what the position is and I’m inclined to think that Chayka wasn’t entirely straightforward with our front office brass.

Yeah, it depends on how everything was framed. If the idea was we want to understand how Stathletes started and run it up into other sports, then it looks innocuous enough until an NHL team comes into play and the potential to use him for that as well.

I also think the reason why Meruelo is pissed is because Chayka was one of the reasons for purchasing the team. Chayka simply sold himself and the vision. The narrative that Chayka's decision making is poor or bad seems quite far-fetched if other ownership and ours is sold on him and the ideas and process brought to the table. I think that we will see the fruits of his labor actually be pretty good in the long run.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

3 reasons why scientists would rather experiment on lawyers than lab rats:
#1. Lab rats are harder to find than lawyers.
#2. Lab rats are cuter than lawyers.
#3. There are some things that lab rats just won't do.

 

[Canis Latrans]

I think you can make a case for Meruelo liking Hextall if they don't want to stick with Sullivan. Hextall similarly looked to build the Flyers for the long haul and was let go partly because of it. He was also willing to give the coach a longer leash. I think an argument can be made that choosing some one who is more similarly minded would be better for the team rather than some one who will upend everything, particularly as it seems like they did like the job Chayka was doing.

 

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I think you can make a case for Meruelo liking Hextall if they don't want to stick with Sullivan. Hextall similarly looked to build the Flyers for the long haul and was let go partly because of it. He was also willing to give the coach a longer leash. I think an argument can be made that choosing some one who is more similarly minded would be better for the team rather than some one who will upend everything, particularly as it seems like they did like the job Chayka was doing.

A Hextall regime would look a lot like if Chayka had used all of his picks and made no big moves, and no dumping of players or trade for big names. He wouldn't fire Tocchet either. Probably not for another two seasons at least.

I mean, the man got a third round pick for Zac Rinaldo. He's a talented GM. A builder, even. But he might not be the right guy to ward off the country club factor.

 

[Mosby]

Gillis seems to offend the old boys club, both as a GM and an ex agent. He's also into all the same things Chayka is, so it's weird for you to want him after being disgusted with Chayka.

Mike Gillis ready to return to NHL, but not as general manager - Sportsnet.ca

Not sure if Gillis has changed his tune since then but he did recently interview for the NJ job. He also expressed interest in the Seattle job but I don't know if he interviewed for it.

I'm open to the idea of hiring both a POHO and a GM but I also wonder if it's just another bureaucratic layer. Certainly more viable if we go with Sullivan or another less experienced candidate.

Off the top of my head, only a few teams have both a POHO and GM -- Boston, LA, NYR, Toronto, Vegas. Then there a few other teams with a GM and a Senior Advisor like Philly (Lombardi/Clarke) and Chicago (Scotty Bowman), to name a few.

 

[Mosby]

If we're hiring multiple positions, it's possible he could come on as a president of whatever, but it would have to be away from making personnel decisions. This could be similar to Fenton with the Wild where he was atrocious when he had the autonomy to make player decisions for the club, but when he was in charge of, I think, scouting, for Nashville, he excelled.

This is one of my few concerns with Futa.

 

[Mosby]

@Mosby - I wonder if hiring Laurence Gilman wouldn’t be a way to get Gillis involved without actually having Gillis run the show. I could see Gilman bringing Gillis into the fold in a more specialized fashion (which seems to be Gillis’ preference anyhow). Just a thought.

After looking further into Gillis' track record re: scouting I think you'd need an AGM or GM with a really strong background in scouting to cover that gap. Not sure that person is Gilman.

 

[PainForShane]

One thing we're not considering here is that Chayka's timing of leaving means another year (maybe more) of Tocchet. The last thing a new owner trying to get a new arena wants to show is instability -- and firing your coach after your GM quits on the eve of the playoffs would make any outsider question how the org is run.

Unless we really do terribly this playoff (and the stars also align), we're stuck with Tocchet another year at least. I'm honestly more disappointed about that than anything else

 

[rt]

This is one of my few concerns with Futa.

I agree with this but I think Gilman could be the reverse. I’d really prefer to avoid first timers and just nab Shero or Lombardi.

 

[_Del_]

Tocchet is a mediocre coach at best. No one is going to bat an eye if he's fired. Especially with a new GM. If Tocchet gets them to the finals or something, he'll have earned the last year of his contract. If not, he's almost guaranteed to be replaced by the new GM. Absolutely noone around the league will care if he's replaced. Keeping him would be more "questionable".