Jets goaltending discussion (part 3)

[ps241]

Interesting. I'm personally good with either of the two.

As long as they don't both fall through. I prefer Elliott's cultural fit but Mason has talent too so I would be fine with either.

 

[surixon]

As long as they don't both fall through. I prefer Elliott's cultural fit but Mason has talent too so I would be fine with either.

What if they sign both :p

 

[DashingDane]

What if they sign both :p

The plot thickens

 

[Daximus]

Not a huge Bernier fan either but:
Career .915% vs Elliotts .913%? And that's with playing with a poor Leafs team vs Elliott playing with a good Blues team.

Bernier also has time with the Kings and Ducks. I personally want nothing to do with Bernier. His stats look alright but he is just not a good goalie. Every time I see him he just doesn't look like he has any clue what he is doing out there.

 

[mondo3]

ok I am getting a bit confused. Kind of thought Elliott was our man?

Oh well hopefully it sorts itself out one way or the other on Saturday. I will be at my cabin enjoying Canada day with my family so no matter what it's always a good day.

Maybe Elliott couldn't find a house he likes?

 

[Daximus]

Mason is my first choice but not sure were on his radar.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Doesn't hurt to ask.
Likely some posturing in regards to Elliot's negotiation.

Condon being signed by Ottawa takes a goalie of the board but also eliminates a landing spot.

 

[BB88]

The market for Mason should be smaller than for Elliott.

Basically all the teams looking for goalies are looking at backups, for which Elliott could be a better fit.
Flyers aren't going back to Winnipeg.

It's good thing that Chevy is looking into both Elliott/Mason, should end up with one of them.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

From reading @NMercad's tweets in the past, it seems to be more of PHI coaching repeatedly flipping between goalies and not allowing Mason (or Neuvirth) to get more than one/two/three games in a row, which is why both parties are moving on.

Coming from flyers fan. Mason is better than his numbers suggest and that's not really due to fact that he played behind ****** defense, but more so truly awful penalty kill.

The usage he got last two seasons isn't playing 3, 4 games and than sitting for next 3, 4 games. Instead our head coach would inexplicably ride one of the goalies for 10 games straight, back to backs or not and that was one of the issues Mason had.

I think he is average starter at least and at the age of 28 with current market I think team that lands him is looking at a steal.

 

[Peggy]

Bernier also has time with the Kings and Ducks. I personally want nothing to do with Bernier. His stats look alright but he is just not a good goalie. Every time I see him he just doesn't look like he has any clue what he is doing out there.

Can't we just make it simple and take the goalie who made it to the playoffs?
Unless both did

We need to stop trying to be so clever sometimes and just do the obvious

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Maybe Elliott couldn't find a house he likes?

If he can promise a .915 save %, he can stay at my place for free.

If he wins us one playoff round, he can keep the house.

 

[JetsUK]

Bernier also has time with the Kings and Ducks. I personally want nothing to do with Bernier. His stats look alright but he is just not a good goalie. Every time I see him he just doesn't look like he has any clue what he is doing out there.

Agree. Also, he's Pavalecian in style -- which I can easily imagine giving some teammates PTSD and sending MP85 into an explosive, venting rage from which he never recovers -- diving and floundering, with mediocre puck-tracking and a habit of letting in momentum-destroying softies, all of which are fatal for a young team. The Jets need someone who's calm, stable and dependable, so they can play their game rather than going into frantic mode and losing possession constantly. Bernier would be a terrible choice, IMO.

 

[mcpw]

The usage he got last two seasons isn't playing 3, 4 games and than sitting for next 3, 4 games. Instead our head coach would inexplicably ride one of the goalies for 10 games straight, back to backs or not and that was one of the issues Mason had.

Okay, I wasn't aware of this. This is hilariously awful goalie usage. Yikes. Might be worse than the 15-16 handling of Hellebuyck...

 

[allan5oh]

Dreger says "the Jets have inched their way towards Steve Mason" (as opposed to Elliott)

 

[BB88]

Dreger says "the Jets have inched their way towards Steve Mason" (as opposed to Elliott)

Mason is ahead of Elliott on my list.

He's in the middle of his prime and could actually be a good starter. Jets should have a superior defense compared to Flyers. But then again how will Maurice play them is a question.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

Speaking of goalies, Has anyone heard anything about where Pav might end up?

Czech beer league. Will post Paverage numbers.

 

[mcpw]

Dreger says "the Jets have inched their way towards Steve Mason" (as opposed to Elliott)

I think Mason is somewhat better than Elliott, but I thought Elliott was the better fit in terms of demands -- i.e. Mason's comments about "who is the starter" sounded like a red flag (like he wanted a guarantee for 55+ games), and more likely to sign a shorter (2 years) contract. Then I saw those graphs, and now I can totally understand Mason complaining about his usage. And McKenzie said Jets have "significant" interest, "possible fit". #teammason

 

[allan5oh]

I think Mason is somewhat better than Elliott, but I thought Elliott was the better fit in terms of demands -- i.e. Mason's comments about "who is the starter" sounded like a red flag (like he wanted a guarantee for 55+ games), and more likely to sign a shorter (2 years) contract. Then I saw those graphs, and now I can totally understand Mason complaining about his usage. And McKenzie said Jets have "significant" interest, "possible fit". #teammason

You hit the nail on the head. Mason is the better G, but Elliott is the better fit. But what if Hellebuyck continues to struggle? I'd rather have Mason in net. He's a better insurance policy.

 

[BB88]

I think Mason is somewhat better than Elliott, but I thought Elliott was the better fit in terms of demands -- i.e. Mason's comments about "who is the starter" sounded like a red flag (like he wanted a guarantee for 55+ games), and more likely to sign a shorter (2 years) contract. Then I saw those graphs, and now I can totally understand Mason complaining about his usage. And McKenzie said Jets have "significant" interest, "possible fit". #teammason

There's no better fit than the Jets for Mason.

You hit the nail on the head. Mason is the better G, but Elliott is the better fit. But what if Hellebuyck continues to struggle? I'd rather have Mason in net. He's a better insurance policy.

That's why I'd still go for Mason.

That is the teams biggest ? and should be solved as well as possible. I'd like to see how the team would play with good goaltending.

 

[ps241]

Coming from flyers fan. Mason is better than his numbers suggest and that's not really due to fact that he played behind ****** defense, but more so truly awful penalty kill.

The usage he got last two seasons isn't playing 3, 4 games and than sitting for next 3, 4 games. Instead our head coach would inexplicably ride one of the goalies for 10 games straight, back to backs or not and that was one of the issues Mason had.

I think he is average starter at least and at the age of 28 with current market I think team that lands him is looking at a steal.

Sadly that sounds like something Paul Maurice might do too. I know in Carolina he also would ride the hell out of his #1 but that was in a different era too.

 

[Rheged]

Fan reaction to Bernier's time with the Leafs is strikingly similar to the way Oiler fans used to talk about Dubnyk.. Consistent league average numbers but always thrown under the bus.

I don't love Bernier as an option here or anything but it just feels very similar to me.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Elliot has been discussed lots across multiple different threads. But I'll just add my vote here of being "cool with it". There's a lot of positives. Stability in net. No assets lost in trade. Likely available on a very reasonable contract. Likely only available at all because of a small handful of bad games which fans (and GMs) tend to overreact to. Cool with a platoon. Doesn't stifle Hellebuyck. A better goalie than many give him credit for. Likely happy with the opportunity Winnipeg will present.

As I posted a couple months back, an Elliot signing has TNSE written all over it. It's the safe, smart, value-for-dollar choice.

I'm ok with that.

He really sounds like a good fit. Everything I have heard about him as a teammate etc just sounds like a Jets kind of player. Dare I say, the Stempniak of goalies?

 

[BB88]

Bernier is as inconsistent as it gets. You never know what you'll get.

 

[ps241]

There's no better fit than the Jets for Mason.




That's why I'd still go for Mason.

That is the teams biggest ? and should be solved as well as possible. I'd like to see how the team would play with good goaltending.

I guess the challenge could actually come if Hellebuyck and Mason are both playing really well? Oh to have such a dilemma .

 

[Romang67]

I guess the challenge could actually come if Hellebuyck and Mason are both playing really well? Oh to have such a dilemma .

Yeah, then who do we start in the playoffs?