Speculation: Jets - Free Agents, Trades, Rumors, Speculation - 2012-13 (Part XI)

jetkarma* · Mar 7, 2013

wpggrown said:
Trade Deadline day never lives up to the TSN hype. Every year they sit there for 8 hours dissecting the trades of players like Hal Gill and Erik Christensen.

True , but probably even less so this time.

PaperRockChamp · Mar 7, 2013

garret9 said:
It's even funnier because you can tell they guys on the show know it and saw it coming, but their producers don't care.

And yet, there I am at the deadline 3pm buzzer every.single.year. asking myself "I called in sick for this?"

CorgisPer60 · Mar 7, 2013

wpggrown said:
And yet, there I am at the deadline 3pm buzzer every.single.year. asking myself "I called in sick for this?"

Why would you ever call in sick to watch a bunch of suits dissecting trades on television?

DEANYOUNGBLOOD17 · Mar 7, 2013

DespoticNewt said:
Why would you ever call in sick to watch a bunch of suits dissecting trades on television?

why not........ the golf courses r not open on regular trade deadline days :yo:

Flair Hay · Mar 7, 2013

DespoticNewt said:
Why would you ever call in sick to watch a bunch of suits dissecting trades on television?

I have as well. That was before my smart phone era began though. I want to be the ones texting my buddies "OMg Hainsey got 1st rounder!!1"

PaperRockChamp · Mar 7, 2013

DespoticNewt said:
Why would you ever call in sick to watch a bunch of suits dissecting trades on television?

Because of the intangibles (house to myself, day off, get to stay home and not work, don't have to go in to work,etc).

sipowicz · Mar 8, 2013

cheswick said:
To 75% of the people on these boards the value of a player is entirely based on the score sheet.

So when a guy obviously now too slow to play in the NHL, who turns over the puck frequently, can't keep up with a rush, is too slow to come back from a play down low (where he usually arrives when the play has already turned the other way) doesn't help to generate offence, doesn't score, rarely hits the net on a shot, has a paltry 4.2% S% but he makes up for it with his one hit every 3 games right! :shakehead

garret9 · Mar 8, 2013

sipowicz said:
So when a guy obviously now too slow to play in the NHL, who turns over the puck frequently, can't keep up with a rush, is too slow to come back from a play down low (where he usually arrives when the play has already turned the other way) doesn't help to generate offence, doesn't score, rarely hits the net on a shot, has a paltry 4.2% S% but he makes up for it with his one hit every 3 games right!

You sure that 4.2% sh% isn't evidence against you on his production being him and not poor puck luck....

Especially when his career #s are around 15%...

shooting percentages rarely change dramatically unless by luck, natural variance or small sample size

blueandgoldguy · Mar 8, 2013

sipowicz said:
So when a guy obviously now too slow to play in the NHL, who turns over the puck frequently, can't keep up with a rush, is too slow to come back from a play down low (where he usually arrives when the play has already turned the other way) doesn't help to generate offence, doesn't score, rarely hits the net on a shot, has a paltry 4.2% S% but he makes up for it with his one hit every 3 games right!

Jets are bottom 10 for sure, maybe bottom 5 in the league when it comes to the centre position - I could name 20 teams that have a better first line centre and better centre depth than us quite easily. It's the biggest reason for lack of scoring. Antro might be back on this team next season though(approx. $2 million per imo) for lack of a better option.

What has frustrated me most about this team are Pav's medicocre goaltending, lack of production from Jokinen, and lack of scoring from the third line. For that last one, remember when we had visions on this board of rolling out a third line that could actually score goals. Ha! Here we are two months into the season, and one of those third liners has been traded, another has produced little offensively all season (Antropov), the third hasn't shown improvements in his game that we expected and is a turnover machine (Burmi). Even switching up the members of the third line hasn't helped. It's still a deadzone offensively.

ps241 · Mar 8, 2013

blueandgoldguy said:
Jets are bottom 10 for sure, maybe bottom 5 in the league when it comes to the centre position - I could name 20 teams that have a better first line centre and better centre depth than us quite easily. It's the biggest reason for lack of scoring. Antro might be back on this team next season though(approx. $2 million per imo) for lack of a better option.

What has frustrated me most about this team are Pav's medicocre goaltending, lack of production from Jokinen, and lack of scoring from the third line. For that last one, remember when we had visions on this board of rolling out a third line that could actually score goals. Ha! Here we are two months into the season, and one of those third liners has been traded, another has produced little offensively all season (Antropov), the third hasn't shown improvements in his game that we expected and is a turnover machine (Burmi). Even switching up the members of the third line hasn't helped. It's still a deadzone offensively.

I still think Burmi Antro and Poni would have had a decent year as a 3rd line but because Olli has struggled to play well in the top 6 and Welly has been a gong show it forced 3rd line assets into top 6 positions and we are back to where we were last year with a 3rd line that rarely looks the same shift to shift let alone game to game.......organizational depth is a big issue.

blueandgoldguy · Mar 8, 2013

ps241 said:
I still think Burmi Antro and Poni would have had a decent year as a 3rd line but because Olli has struggled to play well in the top 6 and Welly has been a gong show it forced 3rd line assets into top 6 positions and we are back to where we were last year with a 3rd line that rarely looks the same shift to shift let alone game to game.......organizational depth is a big issue.

That it is. Looks like it will take a few years to sort itself out, barring some free agent signings.

viper0220 · Mar 8, 2013

What do you guys think of trading for Cory Perry(if he is avaiable) and giving him the max.

Holden Caulfield · Mar 8, 2013

viper0220 said:
What do you guys think of trading for Cory Perry(if he is avaiable) and giving him the max.

The max for next season is 12.86 million. Yeah no chance.

As much as I can't stand Corey Fairy, and I think people will be greatly disappointed in him since they will be expecting a 50g 90pt guy when he is a 35-40g, 70-75pt guy, I still think he would be a very nice signing for the Jets. His little girlish high voice drives people nuts, he works hard, can contribute offensively obviously, goes to the tough areas of the ice, be a nice fit in the top 6. But he is no franchise player. 5-6 years at 7.5 million is as high as I'd go. He is not a playmaking twoway centreman that makes his teammates better like a Getzlaf. Parise got 7.5, so that's about what you would pay for Fairy.

ps241 · Mar 8, 2013

Holden Caulfield said:
The max for next season is 12.86 million. Yeah no chance.

As much as I can't stand Corey Fairy, and I think people will be greatly disappointed in him since they will be expecting a 50g 90pt guy when he is a 35-40g, 70-75pt guy, I still think he would be a very nice signing for the Jets. His little girlish high voice drives people nuts, he works hard, can contribute offensively obviously, goes to the tough areas of the ice, be a nice fit in the top 6. But he is no franchise player. 5-6 years at 7.5 million is as high as I'd go. He is not a playmaking twoway centreman that makes his teammates better like a Getzlaf. Parise got 7.5, so that's about what you would pay for Fairy.

I would pass at that level......it just feels like a old school leafs, Rangers, Flyers thing to do and does it ever really work out? Other than Chara who was a game changer for Boston I think you get yourself in more trouble than not by going for home runs with UFA's especially with the cap going down short term....Hello Buffalo!

OmarComin · Mar 9, 2013

It would be nice if Boston let Horton walk (doubtful). He would be perfect on RW with Kane.

ps241 · Mar 9, 2013

OmarComin said:
It would be nice if Boston let Horton walk (doubtful). He would be perfect on RW with Kane.

Great avi I am just starting season 2 of the wire and find Omar's character to be entertaining

doubledown99 · Mar 9, 2013

Oiler fan coming in peace

What would your opinion be regarding the following proposal:

Yakupov + Edm 1st rd pick 2013
For
Kane + WPG 1st rd pick 2013

Edm's pick is looking like top 3 at this point......

Channelcat · Mar 9, 2013

doubledown99 said:
Oiler fan coming in peace

What would your opinion be regarding the following proposal:

Yakupov + Edm 1st rd pick 2013
For
Kane + WPG 1st rd pick 2013

Edm's pick is looking like top 3 at this point......

Wouldn't do it. Kane, for all his peculiarities, is a competitor. Yak is starting to look like a flake. I'm not surprised to see oiler fans roaming the boards though

Oil have major issues. With all the RNH talk going on you almost have to wonder if something could happen with him too! Personally I think they may have done permanent damage to his career. Clearly the shoulder is still a problem and the confidence is shot to the point where he is a liability.

truck · Mar 9, 2013

OmarComin said:
It would be nice if Boston let Horton walk (doubtful). He would be perfect on RW with Kane.

Him, Clarkson and Burrows will probably top Chevy's list.

Ryder, Perry, Brunner and perhaps Larose should be on there too.

jetkarma* · Mar 9, 2013

OmarComin said:
It would be nice if Boston let Horton walk (doubtful). He would be perfect on RW with Kane.

Some Bruins fans I know would like to sign him but truly think they won't be able to fwiw.

jetkarma* · Mar 9, 2013

truck said:
Him, Clarkson and Burrows will probably top Chevy's list.

Ryder, Perry, Brunner and perhaps Larose should be on there too.

Viktor Stalberg too imo.

allan5oh · Mar 9, 2013

I would do that yakupov porposal in a heartbeat.

Grind · Mar 9, 2013

i wouldn't i expect Kane to be a player on par with your average 1st overall pick, I believe he's that good and has that sort of skill set.

doubledown99 · Mar 9, 2013

Channelcat, Nuge has been fine. Yes his offensive numbers have gone down but every other part of his game has improved (except face offs). I'm not worried about Nuge at all. His shoulder might be messed up - and Oilers should take care of it.... But as for as his game, he's creating chances, he's going up against top opponents and all that. Not worried about him at all....

Your comment about the Oilers and the team being a mess is valid. The kids are good but we are too small up front and suck everywhere else. Id love for the team to build around Hall, Ebs, Nuge, Yak and Schultz and fill in pieces but it won't happen unless we trade the kids. Thus the proposal above

truck · Mar 9, 2013

doubledown99 said:
Oiler fan coming in peace

What would your opinion be regarding the following proposal:

Yakupov + Edm 1st rd pick 2013
For
Kane + WPG 1st rd pick 2013

Edm's pick is looking like top 3 at this point......

Desperation in Oiler land and no visible light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't understand the Jets fans that are intent on getting younger, tanking or going the Edmonton route.

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