You think he will be a top 10 player in the NHL?...That's some serious high praise for the kid.Thats just how good I think hes gonna be, sue me.
You think he will be a top 10 player in the NHL?...That's some serious high praise for the kid.Thats just how good I think hes gonna be, sue me.
Well, he could very well be, but it doesnt mean he is going to be a top 10 player.You think he will be a top 10 player in the NHL?...That's some serious high praise for the kid.
I don't think he's a top 10 asset in the NHL today...I could easily name 10 players I'd rather have, but hey, I'll be very pleased if he becomes one.Well, he could very well be, but it doesnt mean he is going to be a top 10 player.
Asset means you have an investment on the future. Id probably name 70 players Id like more than Jesperi right now, but hes a cost controlled assets for the next 6 years and hes also an investment for 20 years.I don't think he's a top 10 asset in the NHL today...I could easily name 10 players I'd rather have, but hey, I'll be very pleased if he becomes one.
Theres only 5 players Id trade Kotkaniemi for without any doubt.
Dahlin, McDavid, Mack and Matthews.
Asset means you have an investment on the future. Id probably name 70 players Id like more than Jesperi right now, but hes a cost controlled assets for the next 6 years and hes also an investment for 20 years.
McDavid is going to be the best player on the planet for the next 15 years.
Dahlin is Dahlin.
Mackinnon is still going to be the 2nd best in the league for the next 10 or so.
Matthews is going to be top ten ish for the next 15ish years.
Then hes in with a few players, Pettersson, Hischier, Heiskanen, Jones, Hughes next year, Barkov, McAvoy, Barzal, maybe Chabot?
I wouldnt trade Kotkaniemi for any of those. Maybe Pettersson/Barzal/Barkov for likeliness of potential?
So we cant have a nice prospect because we didnt have one in years? Obviously ommiting Galchenyuk, Price and Subban who were all top youngsters.What you have to understand is that potential means nearly nothing and actually reaching it is the difficult part...
There is no indication that Kotka is even in the same stratosphere as Barkov in terms of defensive play, puck control and overall offensive ability. You are feeding the trolls that think we overvalue our players. Kotkaniemi is a solid pick and I personally think he is a can't miss top 2 line C but putting him the category as young players that been dominant is absolutely ridiculous. When is the last time we had a player produce like Barzal that has been ppg since his entry in the league , I don't see that kind of execution/production from Kotkaniemi.
So we cant have a nice prospect because we didnt have one in years? Obviously ommiting Galchenyuk, Price and Subban who were all top youngsters.
Judging a 18 years old player on "what he has done" is a terrible way to judge potential, especially one playing third line with bad teammates and no PP time for 20 games.I didn't say or imply that in anyway , since when am I known for being unreasonable?
Is he a good prospect? Yes.
Is he the best player in his draft? Way too early to tell.
Is he even a top 10/15 prospect currently? Heavily debatable.
I don't see how he has done enough to be projected in the same group as Barkov/Barzal/Pettersson. He would need to take huge leaps over the next year or so to project anywhere close to those guys. That isn't a slight on Kotkaniemi , he is very talented and he will be a great piece for the Habs moving forward. However, I just don't get the logic in which you would only trade him for a handful of players.
Kotkaniemi has the exact same pace as Barkov had in his rookie year.I didn't say or imply that in anyway , since when am I known for being unreasonable?
Is he a good prospect? Yes.
Is he the best player in his draft? Way too early to tell.
Is he even a top 10/15 prospect currently? Heavily debatable.
I don't see how he has done enough to be projected in the same group as Barkov/Barzal/Pettersson. He would need to take huge leaps over the next year or so to project anywhere close to those guys. That isn't a slight on Kotkaniemi , he is very talented and he will be a great piece for the Habs moving forward. However, I just don't get the logic in which you would only trade him for a handful of players.
Kotkaniemi has the exact same pace as Barkov had in his rookie year.
Fair pointIf anything he's even outperforming Barkov so far statistically
Kotkaniemi will be elite.He hasn't drafted any elite players since Subban. Ten years.
I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but I wouldn't put any money on that if I were you. I get a feeling he may top off as a #2 center.Kotkaniemi will be elite.
Feelings dont matter hes 18 anything can happen at this point, im sure everyone said the same thing that cobra did about Kotka as they did Galchenyuk during his rookie season, he will be elite... but he just isnt ill just play the wait and see card for anyone this ageI don't want to be a Debbie Downer but I wouldn't put any money on that if I were you. I get a feeling he may top off as a #2 center.
Kotkaniemi has the exact same pace as Barkov had in his rookie year.
Fair point, but I'd say scoring rates affect players that actually play minutes, playing 12 minutes a night usually means your not part of the data too much.scoring seems to be inflated this year to the rule change to goalie equipment. At least it appears this way as I haven't looked it up, but as today, 20 players are over a 1.2 ppg, 55 players are currently on pace for a ppg, 125 players are at a .70 ppg or higher. Rantanen is on pace for 138 pts, MacKinnon 126, McDavid 117. Last year only 2 players had over 100 pts, only 24 players were at a ppg or higher.
I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but I wouldn't put any money on that if I were you. I get a feeling he may top off as a #2 center.
Making it to the NHL at 18 does not prove he'll be an elite player. Mario Tremblay never became that elite player, Nugent Hopkins is another and there are dozen of other players.Feelings dont matter hes 18 anything can happen at this point, im sure everyone said the same thing that cobra did about Kotka as they did Galchenyuk during his rookie season, he will be elite... but he just isnt ill just play the wait and see card for anyone this age
Bet you a lot of people said the same about Barkov and his 0.44 PPG at 18 (KK is on pace for 0.48), or Ryan Johansen's 0.31 PPG at 19. A bum named Joe Thornton had 7 points his first NHL season.Making it to the NHL at 18 does not prove he'll be an elite player. Mario Tremblay never became that elite player, Nugent Hopkins is another and there are dozen of other players.
Koko Puffs' skating is average at best and he has trouble getting his shot off and on those occasions he does get it off he misses the net. He is physically weak, easily pushed around but that could be rectified with age and then again it might not. He has other weaknesses but we won't go into them now. His strengths are his defensive positioning and his vision. But they are not elite. I don't see the elite set of skills that will make him into a #1 center let alone an elite one. But I do see the skill to make him a very good #2 center which is nothing to sneeze at, especial for a Habs team.
Most of the weaknesses you listed come with experience and age.Making it to the NHL at 18 does not prove he'll be an elite player. Mario Tremblay never became that elite player, Nugent Hopkins is another and there are dozen of other players.
Koko Puffs' skating is average at best and he has trouble getting his shot off and on those occasions he does get it off he misses the net. He is physically weak, easily pushed around but that could be rectified with age and then again it might not. He has other weaknesses but we won't go into them now. His strengths are his defensive positioning and his vision. But they are not elite. I don't see the elite set of skills that will make him into a #1 center let alone an elite one. But I do see the skill to make him a very good #2 center which is nothing to sneeze at, especial for a Habs team.
6' 2" 185 Lbs at 18 years old being physically weak is not a very big concern as he fills out his frame in the next few years your setting yourself up not to be disapointed and with the habs first round history in past years I dont blame ya but I think your wrong about him being a #2 but again lets just wait and seeMaking it to the NHL at 18 does not prove he'll be an elite player. Mario Tremblay never became that elite player, Nugent Hopkins is another and there are dozen of other players.
Koko Puffs' skating is average at best and he has trouble getting his shot off and on those occasions he does get it off he misses the net. He is physically weak, easily pushed around but that could be rectified with age and then again it might not. He has other weaknesses but we won't go into them now. His strengths are his defensive positioning and his vision. But they are not elite. I don't see the elite set of skills that will make him into a #1 center let alone an elite one. But I do see the skill to make him a very good #2 center which is nothing to sneeze at, especial for a Habs team.
An asset just means something or someone of value.Asset means you have an investment on the future. Id probably name 70 players Id like more than Jesperi right now, but hes a cost controlled assets for the next 6 years and hes also an investment for 20 years.
McDavid is going to be the best player on the planet for the next 15 years.
Dahlin is Dahlin.
Mackinnon is still going to be the 2nd best in the league for the next 10 or so.
Matthews is going to be top ten ish for the next 15ish years.
Then hes in with a few players, Pettersson, Hischier, Heiskanen, Jones, Hughes next year, Barkov, McAvoy, Barzal, maybe Chabot?
I wouldnt trade Kotkaniemi for any of those. Maybe Pettersson/Barzal/Barkov for likeliness of potential?