Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi- So You See That's Where The Trouble Began,That Smile,That Damned Smile Edition

[KevSkillz4]

If he put 30-40 points this season, that a big win for MTL. Next year, he is going to play top 6 role and put more points. He is pretty talented, great hands, great hockey sens, great shoot, good at defensive zone. No doubt, he is the right pick. He is a star in the making. But yeah, Tkachuk, Domi and Gallagher. it's beautiful too hehe! But between Tkachuk and Kotkaniemi, Kotkaniemi has more upside and he is a futur #1 center.

 

[sandviper]

If he put 30-40 points this season, that a big win for MTL. Next year, he is going to play top 6 role and put more points. He is pretty talented, great hands, great hockey sens, great shoot, good at defensive zone. No doubt, he is the right pick. He is a star in the making. But yeah, Tkachuck, Domi and Gallagher. it's beautiful too hehe! But between Tkachuk and Kotkaniemi, Kotkaniemi has more upside and he is a futur #1 center.

Well, who would have guessed Domi performing like this? He and Tkachuk may had looked pretty awesome, but I think had we drafted Tkachuk, expectations would had been him playing with Danault, or one of Peca/Shaw/DLR as his center.

Long term, I still feel Kotkaniemi was the better choice though. I think in terms of offense and defence, he will bring much more to the table than Tkachuk.

 

[Runner77]

Well, who would have guessed Domi performing like this? He and Tkachuk may had looked pretty awesome, but I think had we drafted Tkachuk, expectations would had been him playing with Danault, or one of Peca/Shaw/DLR as his center.

Long term, I still feel Kotkaniemi was the better choice though. I think in terms of offense and defence, he will bring much more to the table than Tkachuk.

If the Habs had addressed the center position with bona fide top 6 talent prior to this past summer's draft, do you believe they would have still drafted Kotkaniemi? I think they may have been tempted by Tkachuk in that situation.

 

[sandviper]

If the Habs had addressed the center position with bona fide top 6 talent prior to this past summer's draft, do you believe they would have still drafted Kotkaniemi? I think they may have been tempted by Tkachuk in that situation.

Well, I suppose that is possible. Let's just argue for a minute that the Patches trade happened as is and we got Suzuki before the draft, I could see us leaning towards Tkachuk then, or ugh... Zadina. Still think we may had picked up Kotkaniemi as I don't know what our scouting staff thinks of Suzuki as a center.

I mean, it depends on the center we got. Maybe had we got Ryan O'Reilly, chances of us not drafting Kotkaniemi would be higher I think.

 

[The Great Weal]

Bergevin always said that centermen get drafted early. I dont think he was going to pick someone else.

 

[yianik]

Bergevin always said that centermen get drafted early. I dont think he was going to pick someone else.

Yes, and in the last 2 drafts we draft the currency of the NHL, being centres and PMDs.

 

[Runner77]

Yes, and in the last 2 drafts we draft the currency of the NHL, being centres and PMDs.

Then there is an argument to be made that they may have drafted for position. Of course, we don't have access to their rankings but it does evoke that. What are the odds Bergevin would land a center smack dab in the draft following 6 years of criticism that got progressively louder going into this summer's draft? I dunno, Kotkaniemi may well prove to be the BPA at the spot he was taken. It's still too early to make a definitive assessment.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Well, I suppose that is possible. Let's just argue for a minute that the Patches trade happened as is and we got Suzuki before the draft, I could see us leaning towards Tkachuk then, or ugh... Zadina. Still think we may had picked up Kotkaniemi as I don't know what our scouting staff thinks of Suzuki as a center.

I mean, it depends on the center we got. Maybe had we got Ryan O'Reilly, chances of us not drafting Kotkaniemi would be higher I think.

well if the rumour was true, we would have used Poehling to get O'Reilly, so we would have still needed a center in the system to supplement that loss.

I think if it wasn't going to be Kotkaniemi for some reason (trade or whatever) we would have taken Tkachuk and tried him at center too. I have my doubts that they were super high on another winger (Zadina) in that 3rd overall spot unless Svechnikov had dropped.

 

[Mrb1p]

If the Habs had addressed the center position with bona fide top 6 talent prior to this past summer's draft, do you believe they would have still drafted Kotkaniemi? I think they may have been tempted by Tkachuk in that situation.

It would've been stupid not to.

Kotkaniemi is a top 10 asset in the league, Tkachuk, is not. Centers are just worth way more than wingers, even if they could be close (Though I don't believe they will be.) in on-ice value.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

kind of young kind of wow

 

[A55P2]

kind of young kind of wow

Definitely!

 

[Kriss E]

It would've been stupid not to.

Kotkaniemi is a top 10 asset in the league, Tkachuk, is not. Centers are just worth way more than wingers, even if they could be close (Though I don't believe they will be.) in on-ice value.

This organization seems smart to you?..

Curious..''what's a top 10 asset in the league''?

 

[Mrb1p]

This organization seems smart to you?..

Curious..''what's a top 10 asset in the league''?

Its exactly what it is

 

[NobleSix]

I wish I could put the word "tkachuk" in my HF ignore list.

 

[Runner77]

It would've been stupid not to.

Kotkaniemi is a top 10 asset in the league, Tkachuk, is not. Centers are just worth way more than wingers, even if they could be close (Though I don't believe they will be.) in on-ice value.

If Tkachuk isn't a top 10 asset, that's certainly not reflected in Ottawa's ranking of him. And Ottawa has a much better drafting record than the Habs, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Toene]

Kotkaniemi is NOT a top-10 asset. Please. I mean I respect that you can believe it but there's no way you can support this unless cap hit is all that matters for you.

McDavid, Laine, Matthews, Barzal, Marner, Petersson, Barkov, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Point that's 10 and I could think of many others. That's without counting defensemen. Dahlin, S. Jones, McAvoy, Heiskanen, etc.

Kotkaniemi is Hischier-tier.

Edit : For now, obviously. If he shows he's a top-liner at the level these guys showed maybe. Offer Kotkaniemi for any of these players and teams pass. Maybe Jones because CBJ is stacked at D but need a center.

 

[Kriss E]

Its exactly what it is

You suggesting Kotkaniemi is one of the best 10 assets to have in the entire league?

 

[admiralcadillac]

If the Habs had addressed the center position with bona fide top 6 talent prior to this past summer's draft, do you believe they would have still drafted Kotkaniemi? I think they may have been tempted by Tkachuk in that situation.

I certainly think they would have taken Tkatchuk over Zadina.

Size is what we're lacking yet again and it doesn't really seem to come at the expense of skill in Tkatchuk's case.

 

[The Great Weal]

It would've been stupid not to.

Kotkaniemi is a top 10 asset in the league, Tkachuk, is not. Centers are just worth way more than wingers, even if they could be close (Though I don't believe they will be.) in on-ice value.

u wot m8

 

[Mrb1p]

Kotkaniemi is NOT a top-10 asset. Please. I mean I respect that you can believe it but there's no way you can support this unless cap hit is all that matters for you.

McDavid, Laine, Matthews, Barzal, Marner, Petersson, Barkov, Mackinnon, Kucherov, Point that's 10 and I could think of many others. That's without counting defensemen. Dahlin, S. Jones, McAvoy, Heiskanen, etc.

Kotkaniemi is Hischier-tier.

Edit : For now, obviously. If he shows he's a top-liner at the level these guys showed maybe. Offer Kotkaniemi for any of these players and teams pass. Maybe Jones because CBJ is stacked at D but need a center.

Theres only 5 players Id trade Kotkaniemi for without any doubt.
Dahlin, McDavid, Mack and Matthews.

 

[The Great Weal]

Theres only 5 players Id trade Kotkaniemi for without any doubt.
Dahlin, McDavid, Mack and Matthews.

Lmao

 

[Skip Bayless]

I wouldn't trade Kotkaniemi for any of those scrubs.

 

[Kriss E]

Theres only 5 players Id trade Kotkaniemi for without any doubt.
Dahlin, McDavid, Mack and Matthews.

Dude....
What?

 

[Mrb1p]

Dude....
What?

Thats just how good I think hes gonna be, sue me.

 

[Censored Toad]

I can appreciate your optimism MRB1p and I do like coconut. However I dont think he will be in the same bracket as those above.

MTL hasn't had a good track record of developing players in the last few years. Considering he is playing in the big club I guess we will have to wait and see.

Hopefully he turns out as good as you think..... Keep on smiling!