Player Discussion Jeff Petry

[26Mats]

IDC about chara now. stop bringing him up plz.

Tavares is just as irrelevant as Chara. They're both signed elsewhere.

But in terms of strategy for the future, Chara is more relevant. He signed for much more of a percentage of the cap than Tavares did. You have to ask yourself: are you willing to spend as much of the cap as the Bruins spent on Chara to get an elite player? It was a move that without it, the Bruins would be in a longer cup drought than we are.

 

[Andrei79]

yes I would take him without giving out assets at that rate for 3 to 5 years, just like I would have paid Chara 8.5 million per year against a 39 million dollar cap.

You do understand that 8.5 million for Chara at that time is roughly the same as 17 million for Tavares in terms of percentage of the cap now?

Ask yourself, if 27 year old Chara were available now, would you pay him 17 million per year? If the answer is no, you're saying the Bruins shouldn't have paid him 8.5 million. But no way they win the cup without him. Elite players are worth the big bucks.

It isn't the same thing. The cap was growing at a much higher rate than it is now, aside from 09-10.

 

[26Mats]

It isn't the same thing. The cap was growing at a much higher rate than it is now, aside from 09-10.

The cap went up from 39 million to 59 million from 2006 to 2011, a 50% increase. While I agree with, and previously considered, your point, I still pay my stars top dollar. Also, don't at all be surprised if the cap is at 120 million in 5 years (another 50%) increase. Just look at how much the Habs are worth today versus when he bought the team in 2009. And there's a new CBA coming...

 

[BaseballCoach]

It isn't the same thing. The cap was growing at a much higher rate than it is now, aside from 09-10.

It isn't the same thing for another two reasons.

Prime Chara had far more impact on the game than prime Tavares, and defencemen age better than forwards most of the time.

 

[DAChampion]

Chara is the most successful UFA pickup of the post-2005 era, by a substantial margin.

Hossa is the second most successful.

Tavares has the potential to be as or more successful, but it will be a tough hill to climb.

 

[Habs]

I'm hoping they can remind us every broadcast his dad played baseball. I wouldn't know what to do without a reminder, every game.

 

[Andrei79]

Chara is the most successful UFA pickup of the post-2005 era, by a substantial margin.

Hossa is the second most successful.

Tavares has the potential to be as or more successful, but it will be a tough hill to climb.

I was hoping Gainey did everything he could to get him at the time. Him and Savard really turned the Bruins franchise around.

 

[DAChampion]

I was hoping Gainey did everything he could to get him at the time. Him and Savard really turned the Bruins franchise around.

I wasn't following the Habs at the time.

Did people discuss that?

Did the Habs have enough cap space for Chara?

From the little bit that I recall, Gainey was then obsessed with getting an impact forward, and her mercifully whiffed on all three of Ryan Smythe, Daniel Briere, and Vincent Lecavalier, and probably some other guys that I simply don't know about or have forgotten about.

Mats Sundin and Marian Hossa would have been great though.

 

[FloJack]

I'm hoping they can remind us every broadcast his dad played baseball. I wouldn't know what to do without a reminder, every game.

But did you know he’s a World Series champion??? That’s like the only ring currently in the Habs locker room.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Chara is the most successful UFA pickup of the post-2005 era, by a substantial margin.

Hossa is the second most successful.

Tavares has the potential to be as or more successful, but it will be a tough hill to climb.

Was Timmy Thomas a free agent?

 

[DAChampion]

Was Timmy Thomas a free agent?

Probably, so kudos, that's a great example.

 

[BaseballCoach]

But did you know he’s a World Series champion??? That’s like the only ring currently in the Habs locker room.

Also Olympic Golds and World Cup of Hockey Championships.

 

[Habs]

But did you know he’s a World Series champion??? That’s like the only ring currently in the Habs locker room.

Its like watching The Curse of Oak Island, and they tell you everyone's name and profession at every turn.

 

[LeHab]

With 1 game to go in 2018, Perty has 15g 41a for 56 pts in 82 games. Tied for 12th among all Ds.

 

[DAChampion]

With 1 game to go in 2018, Perty has 15g 41a for 56 pts in 82 games. Tied for 12th among all Ds.

That is incredible !!!

 

[scrubadam]

With 1 game to go in 2018, Perty has 15g 41a for 56 pts in 82 games. Tied for 12th among all Ds.

one of the most underappreciated habs player, and on this board too many want to get rid of him. The offensive production is equal to that of a certain someone not on the team anymore, at 40% of the cost. We don't get the same defensive production but we got a man mountain for that.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

Petry's elevated his play to a whole new level. We could get so much for him but who would we replace him with? It's tough because you want the young players and picks but no one is ready to step up and take his spot.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Petry's elevated his play to a whole new level. We could get so much for him but who would we replace him with? It's tough because you want the young players and picks but no one is ready to step up and take his spot.

Next year dcore should be Weber, Juulsen and Lernout as RHD and Kulak, Reilly, Schlemko and Mete as LHD. All under 26 and under beside Weber and Schlemko. Getting a 1st, mid round pick and a prospect for 32 years old Petry is a must for the future, as this team isn't ready to make a serious run at the cup for another 2 to 3 years.

 

[Miller Time]

one of the most underappreciated habs player, and on this board too many want to get rid of him. The offensive production is equal to that of a certain someone not on the team anymore, at 40% of the cost. We don't get the same defensive production but we got a man mountain for that.

yup, just like that guy eh....

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while i would agree that Petry is largely underappreciated, to equate him to the best defenseman this franchise has seen in decades is disingenuous

 

[scrubadam]

yup, just like that guy eh....

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while i would agree that Petry is largely underappreciated, to equate him to the best defenseman this franchise has seen in decades is disingenuous

I wasn't directly comparing both their games, just their offensive PRODUCTION, acutal points. Thats why Petry cost 5.5 and PK 9 because he is a 5 tool player and is one of the best in the game. Petry puts up 56 points PK puts up 59 points, thats the only comparison the actual points.

Defensivly I agree they are no where close at all. But if Petry was as good as PK on Defense you would have to agree Petry would be a top D in the league and probably making 9 million a season or close to it.

 

[Scriptor]

Petry's elevated his play to a whole new level. We could get so much for him but who would we replace him with? It's tough because you want the young players and picks but no one is ready to step up and take his spot.

If someone wants to trade Petry because he has value, how does that make him under or unappreciated?

The first question is whether MON will want to re-sign Petry as a 34 year old and protect him at the expansion draft in Seattle. Overpay him for too much term? I wouldn't.

Then, even if you did want to re-sign him and he agreed to re-sign here, how much longer would he really be at a high level still (if he hadn't already begun slipping)?

During his next two years after this one, will MON be contending for anything in the postseason?

Since I wouldn't want to re-sign him in two more years after this one and risk losing a younger D in Juulsen or Mete for Petry at that stage in his career, and since I don't think we will be contending over the next two years after this one, isn't it more logical to move Petry at a time where he is at peak value, with little enough term that we could easily eat up half his Cap in a trade and really raise his value to a cap-strapped contender that has either just entered their window of opportunity or is just entering their window?

Petry has a degree of choice as to his next destination with a list of 15 teams he would agree to be traded to, but would he really, at 31 (going on 32), refuse to be moved to a legitimate contender for a chance at a Cup before he retires?

And I'm not even a tanking enthusiast. I believe that Petry, at 2.75M, providing a contender with three cracks at a Cup because their current D is that much better with him than without him, can nab us a late first rounder and a quality LD prospect.

In three or four years, when we are better poised for a run at the Cup, those assets will be more valuable than Petry then and petty in the meantime.

 

[Miller Time]

Petry's elevated his play to a whole new level. We could get so much for him but who would we replace him with? It's tough because you want the young players and picks but no one is ready to step up and take his spot.

He should only get moved if we get premium value on his recent level of play... which is feasible.

But otherwise, would be absolutely foolish to trade him. He's become an excellent top 4 dman, not quite an impact top-pairing guy, but certainly a better than average top-4 player, and on a very manageable cap hit.

Having the luxury of organizational depth at RD (at least in potential), is the only reason moving him for a premium return would make sense. Weber - Juulsen - Brook - Fleury (plus whatever short-term UFA vet fodder needed to bridge Juulsen/Brook/Fleury being ready to fully step in) gives us the flexibility to leverage what Petry has become to either address other roster holes, or cash in on a premium return from a team desperately needing what he can provide.

 

[Miller Time]

I wasn't directly comparing both their games, just their offensive PRODUCTION, acutal points. Thats why Petry cost 5.5 and PK 9 because he is a 5 tool player and is one of the best in the game. Petry puts up 56 points PK puts up 59 points, thats the only comparison the actual points.

Defensivly I agree they are no where close at all. But if Petry was as good as PK on Defense you would have to agree Petry would be a top D in the league and probably making 9 million a season or close to it.

If Petry was as good as PK he'd be in line for a similar contract?

ok, i guess we can agree on that

 

[scrubadam]

If Petry was as good as PK he'd be in line for a similar contract?

ok, i guess we can agree on that

Petry isn't paid as much as PK because he isn't as good as PK who is an all star and Norris winner. If Petry was as good as PK on the defensive side of the game which would mean very good he would be paid like an all star. Since Petry isn't as good he isn't paid at much. But for the price we are paying him we are getting the same amount of points. Thats a decent deal.

 

[LaP]

If someone wants to trade Petry because he has value, how does that make him under or unappreciated?

The first question is whether MON will want to re-sign Petry as a 34 year old and protect him at the expansion draft in Seattle. Overpay him for too much term? I wouldn't.

Then, even if you did want to re-sign him and he agreed to re-sign here, how much longer would he really be at a high level still (if he hadn't already begun slipping)?

During his next two years after this one, will MON be contending for anything in the postseason?

Since I wouldn't want to re-sign him in two more years after this one and risk losing a younger D in Juulsen or Mete for Petry at that stage in his career, and since I don't think we will be contending over the next two years after this one, isn't it more logical to move Petry at a time where he is at peak value, with little enough term that we could easily eat up half his Cap in a trade and really raise his value to a cap-strapped contender that has either just entered their window of opportunity or is just entering their window?

Petry has a degree of choice as to his next destination with a list of 15 teams he would agree to be traded to, but would he really, at 31 (going on 32), refuse to be moved to a legitimate contender for a chance at a Cup before he retires?

And I'm not even a tanking enthusiast. I believe that Petry, at 2.75M, providing a contender with three cracks at a Cup because their current D is that much better with him than without him, can nab us a late first rounder and a quality LD prospect.

In three or four years, when we are better poised for a run at the Cup, those assets will be more valuable than Petry then and petty in the meantime.

Way too much common sense for this board here.