Proposal: Jeff Petry to the Leafs

[sansabri]

We've been over this. Leafs don't have the piece(s) the Habs want.

 

[Deficient Mode]

No point in trading Petry - even if his timeline doesn't match up with that of the Canadiens - when his reputation lags so far behind his actual play and stats. Keep him around another year, hope that he finally starts to get the credit league-wide that he deserves, then trade him with two years left on his contract. If the Habs' plan next summer is still to get younger, that is. Bergevin changes it every year, so who knows.

 

[sansabri]

yep, the Canadiens are clearly the organization with all the valuable pieces, as opposed to the lowly Leafs

What valuable pieces do you have available?

 

[FerrisRox]

We could definitely use Petry though and it's been discussed on here in the past- but would require some retention in either case.

If Montreal were going to trade Petry, they would have a lot of interested parties and they certainly wouldn't require retention, so that likely would rule out Toronto as a landing spot. Unless the Leafs were going to overpay in terms of assets in order to get retention, I don't see any chance of a transaction between these two clubs.

 

[Cobra Commander]

What would your want from us?

1st round pick in 2019

 

[sansabri]

1st round pick in 2019

Lol. Keep adding.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Lol. Keep adding.

No I think that is fair, we don’t need Petry, we need 1st round picks.

 

[Incetardis]

Petry @ 1mil retained

for

A. Johnsson
C. Carrick
2nd

Not giving up a 1st but that's a solid return. I'd take that and run if I'm Bergevin

 

[sansabri]

No I think that is fair, we don’t need Petry, we need 1st round picks.

We're not looking for 'fair' deals with a divisional rival.

You complained about those 2 2nd picks that haven't done anything yet in the Lars Eller thread - but a late first suits your fancy?

Petry @ 1mil retained

for

A. Johnsson
C. Carrick
2nd

Not giving up a 1st but that's a solid return. I'd take that and run if I'm Bergevin

Ha.

 

[Hostile Offer]

No I think that is fair, we don’t need Petry, we need 1st round picks.

Requires a certain level of sadomasochism to think this Habs defense doesn't need Petry.

 

[Cobra Commander]

We're not looking for 'fair' deals with a divisional rival.

You complained about those 2 2nd picks that haven't done anything yet in the Lars Eller thread - but a late first suits your fancy?



Ha.

You are confused, at the time Eller was traded it made zero sense because we needed our centers, it was Bergevin’s personal vendettas.

We don’t need Petry because we are in the toilet bowl for the next years. Who cares if the Leafs have him.

You are confused, 1st round picks is what we need to be trading for.

 

[sansabri]

You are confused, at the time Eller was traded it made zero sense because we needed our centers, it was Bergevin’s personal vendettas.

We don’t need Petry because we are in the toilet bowl for the next years. Who cares if the Leafs have him.

You are confused, 1st round picks is what we need to be trading for.

Ah, OK. Let's not care about basic value here. Just throw away a player for a lowly 1st even though other teams will offer us more near the TDL.

All we should seek here is a fair deal for a rare commodity (Top 4 RHD in his prime).

Fair fair fair!

 

[Cobra Commander]

Requires a certain level of sadomasochism to think this Habs defense doesn't need Petry.

Who gives a crap about our defense, the team is decimated and going nowhere for a long time, wake up.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Petry @ 1mil retained

for

A. Johnsson
C. Carrick
2nd

Not giving up a 1st but that's a solid return. I'd take that and run if I'm Bergevin

In la la land. We’ll give you McCarron, Gregoire and a 2nd for Nylander

 

[Incetardis]

Lol ok... reasonable comparison

 

[CauZuki]

People say stuff like this a lot but we have tons of Kappys and Browns on our own. We might suck but we still have winger depth so they would really have to battle for ice time even in Montreal.

And I don't know why Habs fans keep proposing Petry for the 10000th in this offseason. We can't afford to lose him before Weber comes back.

Are you hoping to make the playoffs? Why does it matter if we trade vets for futures?

 

[Kamiccolo]

I am a fan of getting Petry. He would do better than anyone we have available on the top pair with Rielly. Plays the game we need there as well. Bumps Hainsey to the bottom pair 5v5 which means he has less wear on him and can still be a PK specialist. If Zaitsev rebounds and has a 30 point year while being a solid defensemen, then the defense looks really, really good IMO.

Rielly - Petry is a very very good pairing

Gardiner - Zaitsev, when healthy the numbers showed they were just as good as the Rielly - Hainsey pairing so that is a solid top 4.

Dermott - Hainsey is a veyr defensibly responsible bottom pair.

Borgman
Rosen
Carrick
Marincin
Liljegren

Lots of depth at 7th D.

I would move our first, even though it is not the "plan". We would likely need to work something out with salary and depending on the salary the + would change from there.

 

[sansabri]

You're looking at Liljegren+ if you're expecting us to retain.

 

[The Assclown]

A lot of people are sleeping on Andreas Johnsson. This is a guy that was the MVP on the Calder Cup winning Marlins and played very well when up with the Leafs as well. If that’s the kind of return being offered for Jeff Petry, you take that and run.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Are you hoping to make the playoffs? Why does it matter if we trade vets for futures?

Yeah, if you only think short term. We may suck for another year (unless Price has another all-star year) and then what? We will start to be competitive with Poehling, Kotkaniemi coming in filling our need at C and having Drouin, Mete, Gallagher, Domi, Juulsen, Danault and whoever we will pick in the 2019 draft in their prime with Price, Weber, Petry leading with experience.

The “Let’s sell everything we got” mentally never worked, and it will never work either. Arizona is a prime example. They’re finally retaining their UFA (not selling them for picks) and acquiring the necessary players to finally be competitive.

If we trade Petry now we will be looking, in two years, for someone who can/could fill his shoes wondering why we traded him for picks and Carricks of this world.

 

[The Assclown]

You're looking at Liljegren+ if you're expecting us to retain.

You’re off your rocker if you think you’re getting a Liljegren calibre prospect in return for Petry, retention or no retention.

 

[TML1967]

In la la land. We’ll give you McCarron, Gregoire and a 2nd for Nylander

So this means... Nylander = Petry? Find that hard to agree to.

Even so, no way McCarron = AJ. One was the AHL Playoff MVP last year, the other is getting pretty close to Gauthier territory.
Gregoire had less points as a C than Carrick had as a RHD at the same age in the AHL.

I'll give you that your second will be about 20 spots better than ours though haha.

In all reality, so hard to find a deal between these two teams.
Imo Montreal isn't sure what it is yet. Not bad enough to bottom out fully, not enough assets to do a quick retool unless they decide to move Webber/Price/Paciorety (in which case they will be bottoming out) and their best players (as of now) are on the wrong side of 30 signed to long big money contracts.

It's easy to make up deals when you have an obvious seller and buyer with obvious goals.

Not sure if Toronto is a short term buyer, rental buyer or still making moves to find guys to be here for the long haul.

 

[hockeyguy1967]

Agreed.

What if Leafs top 4 going forward in 2019-20 is a combo of:

Rielly Zaitsev
Dermott Liljegren

What if Zaitsev plays 80 games and puts up 40 points and plays the PP and PK? What if Liljegren shines in camp and plays the last 40 games of the season with the Leafs ala Dermott?

Leafs bottom pair and depth in 2019-20 could be a combo of:

Borgman Carrick
Rosen Holl
Marincin Ozhiganov

I think we will know more closer to the deadline of what is needed. We are guessing right now.​

That is the worst d core in the NHL.

 

[firstemperor]

If Montreal were going to trade Petry, they would have a lot of interested parties and they certainly wouldn't require retention, so that likely would rule out Toronto as a landing spot. Unless the Leafs were going to overpay in terms of assets in order to get retention, I don't see any chance of a transaction between these two clubs.

While I'm not sold Bergevin is considering selling him in the first place (very remote given he's been on record saying he expects it was a one-off year), I don't necessarily agree Petry would net the type of interest that teams would be lining up to offer their 1st rounder as a framework. How many suitors would be in on Petry, and would be willing to offer that without retention? Only two teams I can think of are perhaps Dallas and Florida and I'm not sold either is giving up their 1st or equivalent in a package.

That's not to say management on our end would be willing to give up picks regardless. Everything you hear about Nylander, Marner, 1st's being moved has from day 1, always been purely media or fan driven as per this market.

Leafs weren't willing to move their picks for Hamonic, Vatanen, among the well-documented cases. Dubas has been on record saying he has more faith internally than others, and his actions- by going after empty wallet UFA's (Tavares, CDH) and the relative scarcity of teams willing to move their 1st in recent times are all indicative that such a move, for both parties, is remote. But we're not discussing the possibility of either team having practical interest.

I'm not saying Petry should fetch more than Hamonic. I would prefer two 2nds over Kapanen/Brown and the offered value looks good to me but trading Petry right now sounds like a scary idea. Seriously when you look at our current D corps without Petry, it's so bad we might as well forfeit every game until Weber comes back. Obviously if somebody overpays enough, you don't pass on that but this is not it. Why can't we just wait at least a couple of months?

That's a fair take but should be noted we're just talking hypothetical on here regardless. I think the most rational of us on here know the window has mostly passed for this caliber of move (those windows usually being around the draft- ideally before, and the TDL).

As for Kap/Brown or two 2nd's debate, I would prefer Kap/Brown over the two 2nd's so that's not an issue.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Who gives a crap about our defense, the team is decimated and going nowhere for a long time, wake up.

Are you hoping to make the playoffs? Why does it matter if we trade vets for futures?

I've been through this debate way too many times because the pro-tank movement is running strong within the Habs fanbase but I absolutely don't believe trying to ice the worst possible team known by mankind is the best solution from a developmental perspective.
Trading vets for futures is necessary for a rebuilding team but we need to keep the ones we truly need.