I agree, that's the route I'd prefer as well, although I'm not 100% opposed to moving Boychuk depending on the return, but I think I'd be more prone to accept a lesser return with Bart+Spooner or pick
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I agree, that's the route I'd prefer as well, although I'm not 100% opposed to moving Boychuk depending on the return, but I think I'd be more prone to accept a lesser return with Bart+Spooner or pick
I mostly agree with this but I still don't want to see Boychuk traded because I think outside of losing Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, or Lucic, his loss will hurt the team most. Getting back a 3rd line winger when they already have so many forwards who seem to be NHL ready just seems like a very bad swap. I would rather lose him in the off season for nothing that see his loss damage the chances of the team competing for a cup. If they are going to get back someone who is a proven 25 goal scoring two way winger then great, but I don't see that trade being presented to them.
Maybe I am wrong and there is a deal that the Bruins can make that makes them a better team if they decide to deal Boychuk, but I am pretty confident that gaining a 3rd line wing and losing Boychuk makes them worse while moving McQuaid or Bartkowski wouldn't hurt nearly as much.
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I don't want to see Boychuk go. I'm sure somebody has mentioned this already, but if any name should be listed beside Bart/Quaider it would logically be Miller... not JB55. Johnny is too valuable to the team and all three of Bart/Quaider/Miller could log major minutes on many an NHL team that does not have the kind of depth and surplus on the blue line.
That said, my answer as to who i personally would want gone is somewhat dependent on whether Bobby Robins makes the team or not. The team needs somebody who can fight a goon now that Thorty is gone... i don't want Looch fighting all the time especially with that tender wrist.
If Robins ends up a 4th line regular (at least in the lineup against tough-nosed teams) then i tend to favor keeping Bart as he brings a dimension that neither Miller nor McQuaid can bring. But without Robins, the need for Miller/McQuaid's toughness is more glaring and Bart has to be the odd man out IMO.
I love Quaider but he has proven to be a pretty injury-prone player and while he's a solid defender he does not bring the kind of potential offensive upside (not necessarily goal-scoring) that Bart does with his skating and mobility. Miller is a bargain contract and neither he or Bart have had enough time in the NHL to demonstrate injury-proneness.
Bart's preseason SH goal shouldn't factor into anything but i can't help but see it as a reminder that the kid does have some room for growth. The kid was only a rookie last year when he struggled to find the back of the net... but he did log major minutes with Boychuk and had a solid +/- (+22) as well as 18 assists in 64 games. Combine that overall competency with the kind of explosiveness Bart showed when he absolutely burned Okposo and fired a laser SHG--- and you still have an NHL defenseman regardless of his postseason struggles last year.
Miller did not exactly shine last postseason, either. And he does not have the kind of ceiling that Bart [still] has. I just think people are too quick to dismiss Bartkowski... i don't think the decision is that easy. Perhaps if McQuaid could stay healthy and Miller showed a little more offensive prowess i might say Bart is "easily" the odd man out.
Which is why it is important whether Robins is given a role this year or not. Bart can be physical but not like Miller/McQuaid and he can't (or doesn't) fight either.
That said, my answer as to who i personally would want gone is somewhat dependent on whether Bobby Robins makes the team or not. The team needs somebody who can fight a goon now that Thorty is gone... i don't want Looch fighting all the time especially with that tender wrist.
If Robins ends up a 4th line regular (at least in the lineup against tough-nosed teams) then i tend to favor keeping Bart as he brings a dimension that neither Miller nor McQuaid can bring. But without Robins, the need for Miller/McQuaid's toughness is more glaring and Bart has to be the odd man out IMO.
I love Quaider but he has proven to be a pretty injury-prone player and while he's a solid defender he does not bring the kind of potential offensive upside (not necessarily goal-scoring) that Bart does with his skating and mobility. Miller is a bargain contract and neither he or Bart have had enough time in the NHL to demonstrate injury-proneness.
Bart's preseason SH goal shouldn't factor into anything but i can't help but see it as a reminder that the kid does have some room for growth. The kid was only a rookie last year when he struggled to find the back of the net... but he did log major minutes with Boychuk and had a solid +/- (+22) as well as 18 assists in 64 games. Combine that overall competency with the kind of explosiveness Bart showed when he absolutely burned Okposo and fired a laser SHG--- and you still have an NHL defenseman regardless of his postseason struggles last year.
Miller did not exactly shine last postseason, either. And he does not have the kind of ceiling that Bart [still] has. I just think people are too quick to dismiss Bartkowski... i don't think the decision is that easy. Perhaps if McQuaid could stay healthy and Miller showed a little more offensive prowess i might say Bart is "easily" the odd man out.
Which is why it is important whether Robins is given a role this year or not. Bart can be physical but not like Miller/McQuaid and he can't (or doesn't) fight either.
Maybe it's because he's not a known commodity but it is odd that Warofsky's name hasn't been included in the group of candidates as well.
This is my concern as well. For the most part the kids played well without Seids during the regular season but during the playoffs they got schooled. With a top 4 of Chara Hamilton Seidenberg Boychuk the Bruins are in much better shape on defense this season. If these 4 can stay healthy look out!
PatriceBergeronFan
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This. And unless it is Anaheim giving us Etem and DSP for Boychuk it's not going to be worth moving Boychuk for how bad it makes our Top 4.
Just move Bart for a 2nd + 4th or something similar.
Keep Boychuk and McQuaid.
BergyWho37
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1st We're losing someone that we like an or this player can bring stuff for us yet.
Chara
Dougie
Seids J-bomb
Krug Quaider
Bart Miller
Warsofsky
Seids
JB Krug Bart Quaider Need too see more but most likely WarsO Miller
JB and Bart ..Will most likely take on bigger roles with new team. This doesn't take away from Quaider we all know he's special, I'd even argue he could push up his minutes.
I could be shocked when this is over even say hey I was wrong.. but I believe there is a ton of value in these 3 being groomed under Stone Clode
We need to cash in appropriate, not give them away
Chara
Dougie Seids
J-bomb Krug
Quaider Bart
Miller Warsofsky
Seids
JB Krug Bart Quaider Need too see more but most likely WarsO Miller JB and Bart ..Will most likely take on bigger roles with new team. This doesn't take away from Quaider we all know he's special, I'd even argue he could push up his minutes.
I could be shocked when this is over even say hey I was wrong.. but I believe there is a ton of value in these 3 being groomed under Stone Clode
We need to cash in appropriate, not give them away
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No, your not. I do not think it is a coincidence that every d-man except Chara has struggled when paired with Boychuk.
BergyWho37
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Miller is signed for 800K for 2 years and is an ideal 6/7 defenseman. There is absolutely no chance he is going anywhere else.
if you're including spooner+ one of the mentioned D in a trade that involves only palmieri coming back and not at least a tier-2 prospect (granted palmieri has the experience factor) i see that as a lateral move and possibly an overpayment. spooner hasn't been given enough of a chance and can produce as well as palmieri is projected to imo. that said, i love spooner. it also would make sense i guess given that palmieri is from either NY or NJ iirc
another positive i'll add about palmieri is that he's fast and agile... but again, spooner lol
another positive i'll add about palmieri is that he's fast and agile... but again, spooner lol
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Palmieri is a winger, while some doubt that Spooner would be a good fit on the wing. Based on the organizational depth down the middle, Palmieri would be a better fit. I am a big fan of Spooner, but that's the rationale behind trading Spooner in a deal for a winger.
Agreed. I don't want to see Boychuck or Adam traded. McQuiads value can't be too high right now, and he was improving pretty drastically especially on the PK up until his string of injuries.
Boychuck I would consider moving for a overpayment and/or if someone in the B's organization knows we won't have the $$ for him next year.
BergyWho37
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They said prospect, not black hole
Considering guys can be claimed going down ie Fraser big IF they sign Gagne, need roster space again ..
Where's an outhouse when you need it.
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NotedToughGuyDKrejci
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Why are the Ducks looking for D. They could probably use 1 upgrade in the top 4, but there are a ton of bodies there. Beauchemin, Fowler, Lindholm are locks. The just signed Fistric and Stoner, so they probably aren't going anywhere. Then there is still Lovejoy and Vatanen, not to mention Allen.
That's 8 NHL d? so why are they adding another?
EDIT: kman22: didn't mean to respond to your post, which wasn't even talking about D. :/
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I'd ship off Bart.
We have too many LHD, and you'd expect Morrow is going to start developing soon. Takes defensemen a while to develop, especially after some injuries, so you have to think this year or next year he becomes legit.
Boychuk, we wouldn't get enough for (unless it's a crazy bidding war), and he's an extremely important part of this d corps. McQuaid, we'd get close to nothing for. He's not worth much in trade value but he's an extremely solid 3rd pairing dman who can throw.
Bart is young, a great skater, and has value. He's the odd man out.
We have too many LHD, and you'd expect Morrow is going to start developing soon. Takes defensemen a while to develop, especially after some injuries, so you have to think this year or next year he becomes legit.
Boychuk, we wouldn't get enough for (unless it's a crazy bidding war), and he's an extremely important part of this d corps. McQuaid, we'd get close to nothing for. He's not worth much in trade value but he's an extremely solid 3rd pairing dman who can throw.
Bart is young, a great skater, and has value. He's the odd man out.
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Silfverberg has a nasty release. Amongst the quickest I've seen, could be awesome with Söderberg setting him up and Loui doing Loui things (screening, making himself open as an alternative shooter if he gets back to that confidence, etc.)
Silfverberg has a $850,500 cap hit (although just one year), so he did indeed take a pay cut. I think he started last year great but then had a hand injury (4 goals his first 4 games and almost PPG before the injury), not sure who he played with after the injury/in the playoffs either.
But if we have to give up Boychuk to get him, I'm probably not doing it, unless we get something good to go with it. I'd rather we ship Bart in almost any scenario.
Also, we'd need a 1st line RW as well, unless we're putting Kelly there.
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KuralySnipes
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If we trade Boychuk...
Chara-Hamilton
Seidenberg-Bartkowski
Krug-McQuaid
That is rough. I only move Boychuk if we get a top 6 winger back, and I doubt someone gives that to us for a 1 year rental.
Bart is the one that should be the odd man out, as Dellstrom said, Morrow should be coming up soon, and we have too many LHD.
Chara-Hamilton
Seidenberg-Bartkowski
Krug-McQuaid
That is rough. I only move Boychuk if we get a top 6 winger back, and I doubt someone gives that to us for a 1 year rental.
Bart is the one that should be the odd man out, as Dellstrom said, Morrow should be coming up soon, and we have too many LHD.
PatriceBergeronFan
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Ference-Boychuk shut down the Malkin line in the playoffs.
Boychuk-Chara has been solid since 09-10 or so.
We haven't really seen Boychuk with anyone else aside from a little Bart last season and a little Seids recently?
And with that said, maybe it's more on Bart than Boychuk.
And Boychuk-Seidenberg are too similar to be well paired together anyhow.
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