Recalled/Assigned: Jarred Tinordi sent down (Nov 12)

[Gally11]

I'm not a big MT fan at all but you guys are nuts.. You make it sound as if Tinordi was en route to win a Norris, yeah he was playing ok, but they have higher expectations of him, they want to see that mean physical defensive defensemen we get flashes of, but they want to see it every night. What I see when I watch Tinordi is he's more often than not trying to avoid making mistakes rather than play the same way he did in Hamilton and London. Maybe it's the pressure of having to compete with Beaulieu or be back to riding the bus I don't know. I do know he will be there one day it's just not right now.

Nathan might have more noticeable mistakes through the run of a game but he's shown lately that he's not afraid to play the way they want him to play, he's been more active in trying to create offence at the right times, meaning he's trying to contribute in the way and role they expect him to become, so continuing on that curve - instead of standing still trying not to regress. You can't evaluate them based exactly on their play, you need to evaluate them on their confidence in playing the role they're expected to play if you truly care about their development.

Either kid we go with full time at NHL level right now we should be happy we got both of them in the system, and neither of them are being traded unless it's for an amazing deal back. Less than 48 hours ago MB's exact words were "they will be in MTL for a long time"

So take one of Carey's chill pills, and wait for him to develop into the monster we want, not some 5th D we can get anywhere.

 

[Mynameismark*]

Habs management 101:

They trade for another ancient player in Gonchar, who plays the same kind of style as Markov and Beaulieu to a certain extent. Not to mention Subban is also an offensive minded d-man. You dont take out Weaver to let the two young guys play so instead Tinordi sits now and then and then gets sent down now that there is no room for him. All that despite the fact you have a surplus of the same kind of defensemen on this team now, and NOBODY like Tinordi, whom a small team like the Habs could kinda use. But hey, that's Habs management for you. Oh yeah, he's also played better than Beaulieu while up, and for a guy who doesnt play on the PP and isnt supposed to be an offensive type of d-man, he has more points than Beaulieu who has a big fat 0 points.


Habs management folks.

 

[habsfanatics*]

agreed. hate to see either sit when they both have things to work on, was against both being on the team unless they were both going to play most nights.



don't agree, although I haven't watched much of Gonchar, he has put up 49 pts in 121 games over the last 2 seasons. The Habs PP is so bad they have to do something if they want to remain among the top teams in the NHL points wise.

Sounds like you haven't seen Gonchar at all. He's kaberle bad, Tinordi is better right now.

 

[habsfanatics*]

Habs management 101:

They trade for another ancient player in Gonchar, who plays the same kind of style as Markov and Beaulieu to a certain extent. Not to mention Subban is also an offensive minded d-man. You dont take out Weaver to let the two young guys play so instead Tinordi sits now and then and then gets sent down now that there is no room for him. All that despite the fact you have a surplus of the same kind of defensemen on this team now, and NOBODY like Tinordi, whom a small team like the Habs could kinda use. But hey, that's Habs management for you. Oh yeah, he's also played better than Beaulieu while up, and for a guy who doesnt play on the PP and isnt supposed to be an offensive type of d-man, he has more points than Beaulieu who has a big fat 0 points.


Habs management folks.

Beaulieu has been much better imo, but Tinner has been serviceable.

 

[Lions999]

Sounds like you haven't seen Gonchar at all. He's kaberle bad, Tinordi is better right now.

I feel bad for Weise right about now he will have no protection tomorrow against Lucic ...

 

[habsfanatics*]

I feel bad for Weise right about now he will have no protection tomorrow against Lucic ...

Not at all concerned about lucic, I'm concerned MT is going to continue to ice inferior players, based on age alone.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

don't agree, although I haven't watched much of Gonchar, he has put up 49 pts in 121 games over the last 2 seasons. The Habs PP is so bad they have to do something if they want to remain among the top teams in the NHL points wise.

Unless Gonchar takes a drink from the fountain of youth here in Montreal, he is inferior to Tinordi at this point. I have seen a lot of Dallas in the past year and a half, and every time he was on the ice was terribad, which is why he has only played 3 games on Dallas' inferior D-corps.

 

[hardcorehabs]

Unless Gonchar takes a drink from the fountain of youth here in Montreal, he is inferior to Tinordi at this point. I have seen a lot of Dallas in the past year and a half, and every time he was on the ice was terribad, which is why he has only played 3 games on Dallas' inferior D-corps.

He only played three games because he was injured.

 

[Mynameismark*]

Beaulieu has been much better imo, but Tinner has been serviceable.

I think Tinordi has been better. He was at least somewhat doing what he's supposed to do. Beaulieu needs to contribute.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

He only played three games because he was injured.

Ouch.

Got called out rightfully there. I actually believed he wasn't playing because he sucked hard last season, yet I missed an injury right under my nose.

Point still stands. The Gonchar I did get to see last season was pretty dreadful. He can teach the youngsters a few things I'm sure, but I don't think he is here as anything more than as a cushion for either tired vets or injuries..........you know what, I change my mind, he could probably still challenge Gilbert with the way the latter is playing.

 

[Agalloch]

I think it's clear that the best for a young player is to play. If the plan is for Tinordi to play 22-25 minutes each night in Hamilton and Beaulieu to play 14-16 min in Montreal ALL GAMES, I like that. If Beaulieu sits more often than not, the trade for Gonchar sucks. Gonchar should rotate with Weaver on the 3rd pair. Gilbert and Beaulieu are not bad together.

It's better to ease one rookie at the time too.

Next year, Tinordi (to replace Gonchar) and Pateryn (to replace Weaver) will be in the lineup too. So Beaulieu needs to play to eventually replace Markov.

Markov-Subban
Beaulieu-Gilbert
Emelin-Gonchar/Weaver

Playing Gonchar and Weaver in a rotation will HELP both of these players... because of their age and it will give Beaulieu to play all games. When an injury occurs, Tinordi will be the first callup.

Gonchar will play more PP so Subban will play more on the PK those nights and less PP because Weaver would not be playing. So it will not affect Subban's playing time, only changing his responsabilities.

Seriously, I don't understand why nobody understand the move.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Beaulieu has been way better than Tinordi.

Its not debatable

 

[Agalloch]

Beaulieu has been way better than Tinordi.

Its not debatable

Indeed. Since the first day of camp too. People seem to forget how Tinordi was playing in the pre-season.

 

[Takeru]

Not sure if it was posted, but this might be the quote of the year
Quote:
Therrien said the 22-year-old defenceman is still adjusting to the pace in the NHL.

“You have to be able to make decisions faster than in junior or the AHL,†the coach added.

That prompted Marc-Antoine Godin of La Presse to ask how Tinordi could adjust to the pace in the NHL if he was playing in the AHL?

An obviously flustered Therrien paused before saying: “Good question.â€:

I was about to post the same thing, this is gold.
Daily reminder that MT is the greatest at developping young players, as demonstrated by the Crosby case. He clearly knows what he's doing
Jokes aside, I laughed so hard when I read this quote, that's about as clueless as it gets.

 

[Deebs]

Beaulieu has been way better than Tinordi.

Its not debatable

I don't see it that way at all. For an offensive player, the only thing offensive about Bo has been his play. The kid is running around the ice like his head has been cut off. He's a mess out there. The game is still way to fast for him at this point in time. The good thing is with the additional playing time, it will click for him one of these games and we'll benefit from it. He's young and it's to be expected.

 

[Lshap]

I'm not a big MT fan at all but you guys are nuts.. You make it sound as if Tinordi was en route to win a Norris, yeah he was playing ok, but they have higher expectations of him, they want to see that mean physical defensive defensemen we get flashes of, but they want to see it every night. What I see when I watch Tinordi is he's more often than not trying to avoid making mistakes rather than play the same way he did in Hamilton and London. Maybe it's the pressure of having to compete with Beaulieu or be back to riding the bus I don't know. I do know he will be there one day it's just not right now.

Nathan might have more noticeable mistakes through the run of a game but he's shown lately that he's not afraid to play the way they want him to play, he's been more active in trying to create offence at the right times, meaning he's trying to contribute in the way and role they expect him to become, so continuing on that curve - instead of standing still trying not to regress. You can't evaluate them based exactly on their play, you need to evaluate them on their confidence in playing the role they're expected to play if you truly care about their development.

Either kid we go with full time at NHL level right now we should be happy we got both of them in the system, and neither of them are being traded unless it's for an amazing deal back. Less than 48 hours ago MB's exact words were "they will be in MTL for a long time"

So take one of Carey's chill pills, and wait for him to develop into the monster we want, not some 5th D we can get anywhere.

This is a good description of our two young dmen. I love the fact that Beaulieu's fearless about playing his game. Yeah, we notice his mistakes more, but that's because he's not afraid to make them. That's why his learning curve is faster than Tinordi's.

That said, I'd still prefer seeing Tinordi getting easier minutes in Montreal. He looked good, just needed a little more nursemaiding.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Neither Tinordi or Beaulieu had the expected progression since turning pro. I think some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff in Hamilton. That being said, it might be wise to part with one of those two before it's too late.

At this point, if Tinordi turns into a more physical version of Gill, I think I'd consider it a success.

As for Beaulieu, his lack of offensive creativity at this level is more than concerning.

 

[Deebs]

Neither Tinordi or Beaulieu had the expected progression since turning pro. I think some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff in Hamilton. That being said, it might be wise to part with one of those two before it's too late.

At this point, if Tinordi turns into a more physical version of Gill, I think I'd consider it a success.

As for Beaulieu, his lack of offensive creativity at this level is more than concerning.

I wouldn't trade either at this point in time. Both guys are way to young to consider moving away from their development. Considering the elderly state of our D, I can't see us revamping the strategy to build this area of the team.

 

[montreal]

Sounds like you haven't seen Gonchar at all. He's kaberle bad, Tinordi is better right now.

I don't watch any non Hab NHL games anymore so if he's Kaberle bad then that sucks (which I also thought was a decent trade at the time until I got to see Kaberle play). But Tinordi won't help our PP and if they don't do something to fix it then we are in big trouble. I guess we'll see what Gonchar can do, will be interesting to see how he's used. I wonder if they would consider going with 7D and using him as a PP specialist if his play is that bad.

Beaulieu has been much better imo, but Tinner has been serviceable.

I don't think he's been much better, I don't even think he's been better, imo he hasn't looked very good at all. I was against both making the team so I actually like having one of them back in the AHL.

Beaulieu has been way better than Tinordi.

Its not debatable

It actually is very debatable imo. I don't see what Beaulieu has been doing that makes him way better when neither has been very good.

I don't see it that way at all. For an offensive player, the only thing offensive about Bo has been his play. The kid is running around the ice like his head has been cut off. He's a mess out there. The game is still way to fast for him at this point in time. The good thing is with the additional playing time, it will click for him one of these games and we'll benefit from it. He's young and it's to be expected.

very well said, that's how I see it as well.

Neither Tinordi or Beaulieu had the expected progression since turning pro. I think some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff in Hamilton. That being said, it might be wise to part with one of those two before it's too late.

At this point, if Tinordi turns into a more physical version of Gill, I think I'd consider it a success.

As for Beaulieu, his lack of offensive creativity at this level is more than concerning.

also very well said, agreed 100% especially the bolded part.

I wouldn't trade either at this point in time. Both guys are way to young to consider moving away from their development. Considering the elderly state of our D, I can't see us revamping the strategy to build this area of the team.

 

[OnTheRun]

MT doesn't feels comfortable without a living fossil at the blue line, it's all part of the da game plan and since the Habs are 11-4-1 no one can question da game plan.

Tinordi will learn and become a better person out of this experience, no doubt.

 

[That Habs Fan]

MT doesn't feels comfortable without a living fossil at the blue line, it's all part of the da game plan and since the Habs are 11-4-1 no one can question da game plan.

Tinordi will learn and become a better person out of this experience, no doubt.

Is 'Da Plan' a secret cult? New photos of the coach's desk are raising questions!

 

[FloJack]

Beaulieu has been way better than Tinordi.

Its not debatable

I agree, I don't get why anyone would say otherwise. They both have looked good but I still give the edge to Beaulieu at this point. As one poster said, he has played more of "his" game where as Tinrodi has played to not make a mistake. When Tinordi is relaxed though he's looked good.

Just some more time is all, it's not the end of the world. In 5-10 games the Gonch could be in the pressbox with Tinordi in the lineup, we don't know but it doesn't mean the sky is falling.

 

[mustardnight*]

I don't watch any non Hab NHL games anymore so if he's Kaberle bad then that sucks (which I also thought was a decent trade at the time until I got to see Kaberle play). But Tinordi won't help our PP and if they don't do something to fix it then we are in big trouble. I guess we'll see what Gonchar can do, will be interesting to see how he's used. I wonder if they would consider going with 7D and using him as a PP specialist if his play is that bad.



I don't think he's been much better, I don't even think he's been better, imo he hasn't looked very good at all. I was against both making the team so I actually like having one of them back in the AHL.



It actually is very debatable imo. I don't see what Beaulieu has been doing that makes him way better when neither has been very good.



very well said, that's how I see it as well.



also very well said, agreed 100% especially the bolded part.

I'm not sure how his blind opinion of beaulieu's offensive capabilities is in any way well said. What do you expect from Beaulieu that he isn't showing flashes of?

 

[Monctonscout]

Habs management 101:

They trade for another ancient player in Gonchar, who plays the same kind of style as Markov and Beaulieu to a certain extent. Not to mention Subban is also an offensive minded d-man. You dont take out Weaver to let the two young guys play so instead Tinordi sits now and then and then gets sent down now that there is no room for him. All that despite the fact you have a surplus of the same kind of defensemen on this team now, and NOBODY like Tinordi, whom a small team like the Habs could kinda use. But hey, that's Habs management for you. Oh yeah, he's also played better than Beaulieu while up, and for a guy who doesnt play on the PP and isnt supposed to be an offensive type of d-man, he has more points than Beaulieu who has a big fat 0 points.


Habs management folks.

The habs aren't a small team, stats wise they are middle of the pack.

Plus, Tinordi would be in the press box anyways, so why not have him playing big minutes AHL instead.

The Gonchar thing is probably just an experiment to help the PP while dumping Moen's cap hit next year. If he isn't helping he could be moved again...or maybe waive him to the KHL.

 

[montreal]

I agree, I don't get why anyone would say otherwise. They both have looked good but I still give the edge to Beaulieu at this point.

I don't think either has looked that good, so i'll ask what is it about Beaulieu that he's done well?

I'm not sure how his blind opinion of beaulieu's offensive capabilities is in any way well said. What do you expect from Beaulieu that he isn't showing flashes of?

I don't see what's blind about it, Beaulieu hasn't shown much in the way of offense. Showing flashes isn't impressive to me, NHLers get paid to produce, personally I feel that the poster I quoted got it right.