Player Discussion Jared Spurgeon

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i like spur , hes valuable no doubt! however we are up against the cap this year , noway we can fit spur , zucker & dumba under the cap next year when all 3 will be due huge raises.

At this point, this year doesn't matter. In terms of next year, there will be no Backstrom, Zucker's deal is almost entirely based upon his ability to stay healthy at this point, and Dumba needs to put another top notch season together before he's going to cash in.

Perhaps Pominville is in true decline and we can cap-dump him to another team, Russo brought up the possibility of buying out Vanek.

There are ways to create cap space, and unless we are able to move Spurgeon, in package, for a #1 center I'd prefer to hold on to him over vets like Pominville and Vanek.
 

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None of those guys should get "huge" raises. Dumba will get a bridge, and Zucker likely a 3 year deal in the $3M-$3.5M range. Spurgeon is the biggest unknown.
 

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are you kidding? coyle got 3.2 and is nowhere near a 20G scorer. zucker backs up his 20G season and we'll be lucky to sign him for 4 mill. dumba see zucker!
 

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are you kidding? coyle got 3.2 and is nowhere near a 20G scorer. zucker backs up his 20G season and we'll be lucky to sign him for 4 mill. dumba see zucker!

Coyle signed for 5 years, Zucker with his scoring potential probably wants shorter term unless he goes for 70 points.

Even if Dumba gets 40 points, he wont be in line for anything more than the 2.6m Barrie got as an RFA last year.

You don't have to give away the world to every non Arb eligible RFA. It is allowed to use comparables to get a fair price.
 

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Zucker is going to have to make it past 51 games in a season before he cashes in; Dumba hasn't cracked 60 games yet, and needs to prove he can handle a bigger role. That's why a bridge deal makes sense for him.
 

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Well yeah, sure, if Zucker wants to lock in for 5 or 6 years like Coyle did, I'd have no problem going to $4M or a little over. But on a 3 year deal, Coyle isn't a comparable.
 

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im worried zucker has a breakout year scoring upper 20's and will demand big money. CF played hardball with him last time do you think he'll forget? dumba scored 8G and didnt play 82 games. if he scores 10 or more 4 mill is a given.
 

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im worried zucker has a breakout year scoring upper 20's and will demand big money. CF played hardball with him last time do you think he'll forget? dumba scored 8G and didnt play 82 games. if he scores 10 or more 4 mill is a given.

No it's not, not for a first time RFA that isn't arbitration eligible.
 

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im worried zucker has a breakout year scoring upper 20's and will demand big money. CF played hardball with him last time do you think he'll forget? dumba scored 8G and didnt play 82 games. if he scores 10 or more 4 mill is a given.

They played such hardball he signed 2 months before training camp on July 15th.

The Wild has been more than fair with Zucker. They burned a year of his ELC coming out of college in 2012 when they didn't have to, and gave a player with 40 career games, coming off season ending knee surgery a two year deal, that was one way the 2nd year.
 

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I'd like to see Spurgeon in a Wild uniform because he makes the team better. Don't know if they can afford it though.
 

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I'd like to see Spurgeon in a Wild uniform because he makes the team better. Don't know if they can afford it though.

No doubt Wild is better team with Spurgu on it. If we can somehow move Vanek/Pominville I'd be very happy to sign Spurgu for a new deal.

Scandella - Spurgeon = :yo:
 

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More good reasons on why not to trade Spurgeon.
@SteveBurtch: So Jared Spurgeon ranks 3rd overall in SAG/60 and 1st overall in Entry Assists/60 at 5v5 amongst NHL D with 100+ mins TOI. Crazy underrated.

@SteveBurtch: Oh and Drew Doughty leads in Entry Assists/60 and is like top 5 in SAG/60... He is not so underrated.

@SteveBurtch: But consider that Spurgeon is basically comparable to Doughty in this regard. That should be impressive.
 

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And he's only our "4th best defenseman". :shakehead
I am telling you, put Dumba on the 1st PP, get him 10 goals by Christmas, get some GM beyond excited for Dumba's offensive game, and flip him for a young high end center.

Then re-sign Spurgeon and be happy.
 

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He's so damn good. People just see his size and write him off, but when you actually watch him play, you see he doesn't let that hinder his game whatsoever. He battles with the big guys and can win those battles. Dude knows how to play and it's going to be a shame if we move him. Really hoping he takes a discount to stay here, maybe give him the same deal Scandella got and see if he bites. After all, he is our longest tenured defenseman and we were the one that gave him his shot in the NHL (just wish we gave TyJo that shot too...).

You know his agent is looking at these stats that support his game though and is seeing $$$. Just hoping Spurge wants to stay with the team he's been with his entire career and remain linemates with his best friend.

I am telling you, put Dumba on the 1st PP, get him 10 goals by Christmas, get some GM beyond excited for Dumba's offensive game, and flip him for a young high end center.

Then re-sign Spurgeon and be happy.

Or you keep him on as our PP specialist and put him alongside Suter on the first pairing and have close to the deepest and best defensive core in the league for the upcoming years.

There's plenty of ways we can go here.
 

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He's so damn good. People just see his size and write him off, but when you actually watch him play, you see he doesn't let that hinder his game whatsoever. He battles with the big guys and can win those battles. Dude knows how to play and it's going to be a shame if we move him. Really hoping he takes a discount to stay here, maybe give him the same deal Scandella got and see if he bites. After all, he is our longest tenured defenseman and we were the one that gave him his shot in the NHL (just wish we gave TyJo that shot too...).

You know his agent is looking at these stats that support his game though and is seeing $$$. Just hoping Spurge wants to stay with the team he's been with his entire career and remain linemates with his best friend.



Or you keep him on as our PP specialist and put him alongside Suter on the first pairing and have close to the deepest and best defensive core in the league for the upcoming years.

There's plenty of ways we can go here.

That really is the only hope in keeping him IMO. If he goes out of his way to make sure his salary works with our cap, enabling the team to keep room for Dumba's obvious salary increases as time goes on, then he will be able to stay.

I just don't expect that from any player... it's such a rare thing to happen in professional sports.

At some point though, this team will be forces to let a high quality player go. It's inevitable in a salary cap world. Look at Chicago... the first every Cap era dynasty team, and after two of their titles, they had to clean house of some high quality players just because they couldn't fit them all under the cap.

You have to have young/cheap players making a big impact in today's NHL to stay relevant for long periods of time. The Wild haven't had many players go from young/cheap to reaching their prime/expensive years until this young current group ages... Spurgeon was really the first of that young group, and as a result, he may actually end up as the first casualty of that situation.
 

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That really is the only hope in keeping him IMO. If he goes out of his way to make sure his salary works with our cap, enabling the team to keep room for Dumba's obvious salary increases as time goes on, then he will be able to stay.

I just don't expect that from any player... it's such a rare thing to happen in professional sports.

At some point though, this team will be forces to let a high quality player go. It's inevitable in a salary cap world. Look at Chicago... the first every Cap era dynasty team, and after two of their titles, they had to clean house of some high quality players just because they couldn't fit them all under the cap.

You have to have young/cheap players making a big impact in today's NHL to stay relevant for long periods of time. The Wild haven't had many players go from young/cheap to reaching their prime/expensive years until this young current group ages... Spurgeon was really the first of that young group, and as a result, he may actually end up as the first casualty of that situation.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame him for wanting to cash in. He's going to be in his prime years and has every right to try to go for the pay day that he's definitely earned.

I still feel like if he takes a 5 year, $20 million ($4 million AAV) contract, you have to sign him to that. That's only a $1.3333 million jump from where he's currently at and we definitely should be able to fit that in the budget. If he wants a 5 year, $25 million+ contract, we're going to have to start looking at either letting him go or attempting to move one of the vets (Vanek) via a buyout or trade. I prefer the latter.
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't blame him for wanting to cash in. He's going to be in his prime years and has every right to try to go for the pay day that he's definitely earned.

I still feel like if he takes a 5 year, $20 million ($4 million AAV) contract, you have to sign him to that. That's only a $1.3333 million jump from where he's currently at and we definitely should be able to fit that in the budget. If he wants a 5 year, $25 million+ contract, we're going to have to start looking at either letting him go or attempting to move one of the vets (Vanek) via a buyout or trade. I prefer the latter.

I agree, at $4mil, he could be retained, I just think it's a pipe-dream to think he'd settle for that at this point. It'd be nice, I just don't think it's realistic.
 

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More good reasons on why not to trade Spurgeon.
@SteveBurtch: So Jared Spurgeon ranks 3rd overall in SAG/60 and 1st overall in Entry Assists/60 at 5v5 amongst NHL D with 100+ mins TOI. Crazy underrated.

@SteveBurtch: Oh and Drew Doughty leads in Entry Assists/60 and is like top 5 in SAG/60... He is not so underrated.

@SteveBurtch: But consider that Spurgeon is basically comparable to Doughty in this regard. That should be impressive.

Burtch is combing through the data I posted about a page back. All of it indicate Spurgeon has at worst borderline elite puck skills.
 

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Burtch is combing through the data I posted about a page back. All of it indicate Spurgeon has at worst borderline elite puck skills.

these guys and their advanced stats bs, Spurgie is overrated, he just isnt' as good as his "stats" show.

Trust me if spurgie is anywhere as some people here have him wild would move him for a massive payment, his advanced stats may be what they are but his eye test isn't that great and he get pushed around waaaay too much to be anywhere an "elite level" defensman.
 

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these guys and their advanced stats bs, Spurgie is overrated, he just isnt' as good as his "stats" show.

Trust me if spurgie is anywhere as some people here have him wild would move him for a massive payment, his advanced stats may be what they are but his eye test isn't that great and he get pushed around waaaay too much to be anywhere an "elite level" defensman.

Getting pushed around yet he was one of the guys who hits people the most on the team got it.
 

ThatGuy22

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these guys and their advanced stats bs, Spurgie is overrated, he just isnt' as good as his "stats" show.

Trust me if spurgie is anywhere as some people here have him wild would move him for a massive payment, his advanced stats may be what they are but his eye test isn't that great and he get pushed around waaaay too much to be anywhere an "elite level" defensman.

Ya, screw those advanced stats(even the really basic ones) that show that with Spurgeon on the ice we score way more goals and attempt way more shots than we let up. He can get pushed around because he's small. Its obviously such a hindrance to him that he gets scored on at the exact same rate as his much bigger team mates Scandella and Suter.
 

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Getting pushed around yet he was one of the guys who hits people the most on the team got it.

Cal hit like a machine, hits don't matter if the guy skates past you after that hit.


Seriously GMCF needs to fleece a team for Spurg and run with it, i hope other gm's are falling for his hype.
 

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