Injury Report: Jake Muzzin - broken hand - out ~4 weeks

[ACC1224]

They needed a player close to league minimum.

I liked DeMelo, but I wonder about the Senator tax.....

Not sure how much space they had to play with.
They could have used the space they gave up for Lehner.

 

[ToneDog]

interesting that is what they said once the deal of bogo to tampa happened on the day, i thought they tweeted it too but i cant find that tweet now. So changing the story are they now?

So you claimed, "Tampa made their offer and the leafs thought it was too much McKenzie said this on the day".

Here give a listen (2:49 specifically) and tell me if they are changing the story. Dregs said it with Bobby Mac sitting next to him with Landsberg and Carlo.

First Up with Landsberg & Colaiacovo: Did Saturday's loss convince Bogosian to not sign with Maple Leafs? The insiders discuss on Apple Podcasts

Pretty clear that Dregs says Bogo probably signs with the Leafs but Leafs decided to go in a different direction after the Canes game. Am I missing something ??

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don't mind that they kept Barrie, I expected it.
Bogosian or a player of his type should have been brought in as well though.

This is RIGHT thinking here. A vet GM knows defenders get injured in playoff fight and playoffs. It would not shock me if Lily took one off the beak tonight and went down for a week. These things happen. It is why you need 8 defenders with NHL competence on any team going for it. We got Marty who is NOT an NHL defender. We got 3 rooks playing way over their heads. We got a 5th wheel playing as our defacto #1. and we got a vet you have to hide on 3rd pair as a PP specialist. and we have a guy who is a tweener as our 7 right now.
And this is what we are making our playoff push with. And we wonder why people are laughing at us.
Now that all said we gotta HOPE and PRAY that the 3 kids are all SPECIAL players and rise up. The good news is all 3 might. Dermy is a kid I know quite well over many years and his compete is off the charts. He may be able to carry Holl. He can skate close to Rielly and he is tough as nails. He is small but he has fight in him.

 

[thewave]

So you claimed, "Tampa made their offer and the leafs thought it was too much McKenzie said this on the day".

Here give a listen (2:49 specifically) and tell me if they are changing the story. Dregs said it with Bobby Mac sitting next to him with Landsberg and Carlo.

First Up with Landsberg & Colaiacovo: Did Saturday's loss convince Bogosian to not sign with Maple Leafs? The insiders discuss on Apple Podcasts

Pretty clear that Dregs says Bogo probably signs with the Leafs but Leafs decided to go in a different direction after the Canes game. Am I missing something ??

Not missing a thing. It's a really sad beat down with mistake after mistake with Dubas. I just hope now that managment does the right thing and let him go. We still have a lot of assets to set it right, just not under this guy. He doesn't see the chessboard well enough. He is pure reactionary, not a visionary at all.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Dubas should have brought a cheap dman in for depth - that I agree with .

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas should have brought a cheap dman in for depth - that I agree with .

Exactly. I would have been happy with Dubas signing Bogo for nothing and outbidding the Sabres for Simmonds, especially if you decided not to trade Barrie.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Rielly and or Ceci could have a set back too. Muzz as well now
It's a shame Muzxins injury happened when it did

 

[Erdinger]

Not sure how much space they had to play with.
They could have used the space they gave up for Lehner.

That Lehner thing is the most mind boggling of all

 

[kb]

Simmonds and Bogosian??? Dafuq?

 

[ShaneFalco]

That Lehner thing is the most mind boggling of all

A favour for another time ?

 

[Kiwi]

Three simultaneous defensive injuries to key pieces*

Not sure if this is actually true. Teams have definitely put forth worse than this through injuries before.

Teams don't sell in our position, especially for fairly negligible returns. We are in a playoff spot.

We didn't know Rielly and Ceci were already injured?

The least experienced blue line in the league I'd imagine and Holl is the best defensive defenseman on the roster, so no, not many teams fighting for the playoffs have willingly took that risk on

Shattenkirk, **** returns are what happens when you don't know how to develop a market for your player

They kept Barrie and traded for Rosen. How many others should they have squandered what little assets they had for on a team going nowhere anyway?

And I can't wait for the 3rd rounder Barrie would have returned to have a cup of coffee 5 years from now before going on waivers.

If that's the case you sell, or you protect yourself in case of injury and get some experience for the backend end, you don't do what we did

What else did your crystal ball tell you? Nick Robertson was picked in the 50's so your talking rubbish and our GM should have been trying to develop a market for Barrie instead of doing Jack ****

Just more incompetence, which is this front offices calling card

 

[Erdinger]

A favour for another time ?

I thought it was used to buy a 5th rounder from Colorado. So rather than use the cap space for a rental to help make the playoffs we buy a pick for someone who will probably never play for the Leafs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Hey McQuaid is a FA no ?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I thought it was used to buy a 5th rounder from Colorado. So rather than use the cap space for a rental to help make the playoffs we buy a pick for someone who will probably never play for the Leafs.

Yeah don’t get it

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Dubas should have brought a cheap dman in for depth - that I agree with .

I don't think that would really make a difference, honestly. I wish he would've been able to maneuver Barrie into a different defenseman with term though

 

[deepthoughtsleafs]

Signs new contract and pretends to be hurt... Typical. What a joke man.









Jk. Hope you have a speedy recovery Jake. We'll need you come playoff time.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think that would really make a difference, honestly. I wish he would've been able to maneuver Barrie into a different defenseman with term though

What is wrong with both if one costs you nothing or the first if you fail to move Barrie as was the case ?? Our D is less inexperienced than our GM and coach. Florida might have been a good test all things being equal (i.e. not returning from a 5 game western road trip). If they get shredded by Florida tonight, imagine what happens against the Bruins, Caps, Isles, and Canes next month.

 

[ShaneFalco]

What is wrong with both if one costs you nothing or the first if you fail to move Barrie as was the case ?? Our D is less inexperienced than our GM and coach. Florida might have been a good test all things being equal (i.e. not returning from a 5 game western road trip). If they get shredded by Florida tonight, imagine what happens against the Bruins, Caps, Isles, and Canes next month.

The only good that comes out of not making the playoffs or getting destroyed is that the core will have to be changed up - including Freddie perhaps

 

[Dekes For Days]

Ok sandin is fine, but TL...? Give me a break. He’s a good prospect but he is D+2 and he’s not exactly lighting it up in the NHL...far from TOP prospect.

Liljegren is a top prospect. What he has done in the AHL at his age is incredibly impressive.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

What is wrong with both if one costs you nothing or the first if you fail to move Barrie as was the case ?? Our D is less inexperienced than our GM and coach. Florida might have been a good test all things being equal (i.e. not returning from a 5 game western road trip). If they get shredded by Florida tonight, imagine what happens against the Bruins, Caps, Isles, and Canes next month.

I don't want to think that way yet. I don't think Panthers can trap it down like Canes, Caps and Bruins can. We absolutely have to get a lead going early in games against those teams so we can't get locked out.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We didn't know Rielly and Ceci were already injured?

Yes, and expected back within a few weeks.

The least experienced blue line in the league I'd imagine

So you don't know then...

so no, not many teams fighting for the playoffs have willingly took that risk on

Nobody willingly takes it on. Including us. We didn't know our best remaining defenseman would go down in the first game after the deadline. Expecting him to cover every single possible outcome at all times is a pretty ridiculous standard.

Shattenkirk,

I've already discussed the massive differences between Shatternkirk and Barrie. See my previous post. Not really comparable.

**** returns are what happens when you don't know how to develop a market for your player

No, it happens when there isn't a market for that type of player in that year from the teams that happen to be in contention and have the necessary assets they are willing to spend.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

What is wrong with both if one costs you nothing or the first if you fail to move Barrie as was the case ?? Our D is less inexperienced than our GM and coach. Florida might have been a good test all things being equal (i.e. not returning from a 5 game western road trip). If they get shredded by Florida tonight, imagine what happens against the Bruins, Caps, Isles, and Canes next month.

Heh Muzzy is in Sunrise. and he is not on IR yet. i wonder if he said to Keefe let me try to hold the stick and see how it goes.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It is why you need 8 defenders with NHL competence on any team going for it.

We already have 8 defenders with NHL competence.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I understand their logic to a point. After the Canes game they felt that the franchise was humiliated. The GM left in disgust, the Leaf faithful gave the zamboni driver a standing O, he made rounds in the media, everyone laughed at the inept Leafs.

Seeing this, the GM probably lost faith, as possibly did the owners in Dubas. Who knows? Ultimately they clearly decided "no more spending". If the Barrie trade worked, fine, if not, we ride it out. That game, in the fashion it went coupled with the other two bombs against vital opponents in the same week, convinced them to not risk anything more.

Even as I understand the logic and I think the loss to the Canes might be good for Leafs long term (one way or another), I still think when you're on the bubble you make some tweaks and try and improve what is a glaring weakness. Getting in and losing is still better than not fighting for it. The team still has to do all the work, whether it's with a green D or some depth.

 

[Kiwi]

Yes, and expected back within a few weeks.

So you don't know then...

Nobody willingly takes it on. Including us. We didn't know our best remaining defenseman would go down in the first game after the deadline. Expecting him to cover every single possible outcome at all times is a pretty ridiculous standard.

I've already discussed the massive differences between Shatternkirk and Barrie. See my previous post. Not really comparable.

No, it happens when there isn't a market for that type of player in that year from the teams that happen to be in contention and have the necessary assets they are willing to spend.

A month, which we knew before the TDL

Sandin, Liljeren, Rosen haven't played 25 games each and Holl hasn't hit 100, the GM didn't know this? If you can disprove I'm correct go for it but I feel pretty good about it right now

We didn't foresee injuries or our lack of defensive experience which could be a problem? If we even got A injury?

So an actual example of what you wanted doesn't fit now? How surprising

We didn't actively try to create a market because our GM froze like the ineffectual novice he is

Can't negotiate a contract
Can't get trades right
Paralyzed when decisions need to be made

You guys crack me up, your protecting this guy and his blatant failings just like the Burke boosters did, different flavor but same situation