I actually think the Lupul part was probably an Anaheim demand. He's got offensive talent but many issues (health issues, somewhat soft, not great defensively), he's paid quite a bit for this season and the next 2, and the Ducks don't really have room for him with Perry, Ryan and Selanne all being natural RWs, I'm sure they were looking to dump his contract. He could flourish with increased offensive responsibility in Toronto (like Grabovski and MacArthur did), but he could easily end up being an overpaid, marginal contributor.To be honest, Ducks lost this trade.
I picture Gardiner as a more offensive Beauchemin who doesnt lack on the defensive end either. Like another poster mentioned, his skating is effortless, his strides are powerful, and he can push the puck out of his own zone.
Just for Gardiner it probably wouldve been worth it to move Beauchemin, but the Leafs got Lupul and a pick added on.
I actually think the Lupul part was probably an Anaheim demand. He's got offensive talent but many issues (health issues, somewhat soft, not great defensively), he's paid quite a bit for this season and the next 2, and the Ducks don't really have room for him with Perry, Ryan and Selanne all being natural RWs, I'm sure they were looking to dump his contract. He could flourish with increased offensive responsibility in Toronto (like Grabovski and MacArthur did), but he could easily end up being an overpaid, marginal contributor.
The way I see it this trade was Beauchemin for Gardiner, but the Leafs needed to add more value somehow, and did this by taking on Lupul's contract, which the Ducks didn't want. Whether Lupul actually works out for us or not is yet to be seen, but the key to this trade from the Leaf's POV is Gardiner's development down the line.
Not so sure about that. I think both came out OKTo be honest, Ducks lost this trade.
I picture Gardiner as a more offensive Beauchemin who doesnt lack on the defensive end either. Like another poster mentioned, his skating is effortless, his strides are powerful, and he can push the puck out of his own zone.
Just for Gardiner it probably wouldve been worth it to move Beauchemin, but the Leafs got Lupul and a pick added on.
Interesting. Maybe Burke had Lupul for Komi in mind (bad contract for bad contract), Ducks only wanted Beauch, so they had to add a good prospect in Gardiner?Burke said in the press conference that he inquired about Lupul because he noticed that he simply wasn't getting a lot of ice time after he returned from injury, and wondered if he would be available. Upon inquiring, the Ducks said Beauchemin would have to be involved in that deal, and it went on from there. Take it for what you will, but from what Burke said, it started with Lupul, not Gardiner.
Interesting. Maybe Burke had Lupul for Komi in mind (bad contract for bad contract), Ducks only wanted Beauch, so they had to add a good prospect in Gardiner?
Ya, your best bet is to read McKenzie's article at tsn.ca....I mean seriously who knows more then that guy?
omg.. ducks got HOSED again by burke.. murray keep bending over more for burke.. seriously..
gardiner imo is a stud. top potential is a 1b/#2 defenseman.. probably wont be a number 1 guy but will be able to anchor a solid pairing..
solid 2-way d-man.. tbh beauch is a decent comparison.. but better offensively and w/o the boneheaded turnovers from time to time.. i wish we could've kept gardiner.. we have other d-prospects such as vatanen who i'd rather have given up
God help you that better be sarcasm
regardless on your opinion on Pierre, you can't say that he isn't extremely knowledgable.
Also add in the Burke has had a hard on for Gardiner since his draft year...
omg.. ducks got HOSED again by burke.. murray keep bending over more for burke.. seriously..
gardiner imo is a stud. top potential is a 1b/#2 defenseman.. probably wont be a number 1 guy but will be able to anchor a solid pairing..
solid 2-way d-man.. tbh beauch is a decent comparison.. but better offensively and w/o the boneheaded turnovers from time to time.. i wish we could've kept gardiner.. we have other d-prospects such as vatanen who i'd rather have given up
I am convinced you have not seen Gardiner play. I am not expert but have seen him play about 15 times, and he is in no way a stud..could he develop into a good nhler, yes but i think it is very unlikely he tops out as anything more than a Beauchemin type player, look at his numbers before playing with Justin Schultz....
He was behind Smith, McBain, McDonagh, along with Schultz and Goloubef growing as a player... and last year he was supposedly asked to concentrate on defense.
I am convinced you have not seen Gardiner play. I am not expert but have seen him play about 15 times, and he is in no way a stud..could he develop into a good nhler, yes but i think it is very unlikely he tops out as anything more than a Beauchemin type player, look at his numbers before playing with Justin Schultz....
Coming from someone who said Lupul would be a 50/50 guy I am embarrassed to keep finding your posts today..
Not so sure about that. I think both came out OK
how is mark giordano as a comparision?
yes? no? maybe? :p
whoa.. when did i say 50/50 guy? i said 25/25 guy?
FAR from it... he was our future selanne replacement.. his contract is high yes, but most of us had decent hopes for him in becoming a 50/50 guy once fully got going maybe lining up with getzy n perry