Jake Gardiner vs Tyson Barrie

[Pyrophorus]

Even though Naz, vetoed that trade, Brodie would've been a better option, and now we
can explore it this off season.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Even though Naz, vetoed that trade, Brodie would've been a better option, and now we
can explore it this off season.

even if you think Brodie is better than Barrie which is highly debatable, we'd now be stuck with Jankowski instead of Kerfoot

 

[rent free]

even if you think Brodie is better than Barrie which is highly debatable, we'd now be stuck with Jankowski instead of Kerfoot

jaknkowski doesn't have a long contract straddled to him. pro for him

 

[ACC1224]

Even though Naz, vetoed that trade, Brodie would've been a better option, and now we
can explore it this off season.

Yep and not stuck with Kerfoot either.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Worst trade yet for Dubie ... but I get he is a rook ... he had good intentions and we all got fooled by Barrie ... but Kadri for Kerfoot is such a massive loss ... Kadri is on our team of decade for goals above replacement as per TSN ... we got rooked

 

[Pyrophorus]

even if you think Brodie is better than Barrie which is highly debatable, we'd now be stuck with Jankowski instead of Kerfoot

I didn't say go back in time.
I'm saying that Brodie is better defensively and a UFA.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Worst trade yet for Dubie ... but I get he is a rook ... he had good intentions and we all got fooled by Barrie ... but Kadri for Kerfoot is such a massive loss ... Kadri is on our team of decade for goals above replacement as per TSN ... we got rooked

Barrie I already explained why he didn't produce, I'm a bit mystified as to why Kerfoot did not?

 

[kb]

Barrie I already explained why he didn't produce, I'm a bit mystified as to why Kerfoot did not?

Broken face really affected his play.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Broken face really affected his play.

All season long?

 

[kb]

All season long?

He was starting to hit his stride, and that knocked him backwards for most of the rest, yes.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Not sure why you would trade a two way center for an offensive defenceman in the first place

 

[Leafblooded]

Naz on RD would've been a better move than trading him for cotton commander Barrie

 

[pcruz]

Gardiner is better suited for our current defensive situation i.e no rielly and ceci with ahl guys like holl too high in the lineup.

He doesn't panic. He'll try to make the calm and collected play even if forecheckers are coming in strong to bounce him off the puck. He'll give it away along the boards if he has to but he rarely just throws it in the middle randomly like Barrie who seems massively rattled in his current role.

Demonstrably false.
Watch the -5 game, consequently game 7 of the playoffs, and repeat that opinion.

Gardiner was afraid of getting hit, frequently gave the puck to the opponent in prime scoring locations, folded when the time got rough.

I appreciate Jake for what he is - a skilled offensive defenseman who wants to play like Scott Niedermayer. He has always had the tools, but his brain has always been a step slower than his body. It’s a shame really, he could have been a great player if put in the right position and with the right partner. We never found that for him, put far too much on him, and licked our wounds afterwards.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Barrie I already explained why he didn't produce, I'm a bit mystified as to why Kerfoot did not?

He's not very good at hockey and he plays exactly how you would expect a rich kid who graduated from Harvard to play.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Demonstrably false.
Watch the -5 game, consequently game 7 of the playoffs, and repeat that opinion.

Gardiner was afraid of getting hit, frequently gave the puck to the opponent in prime scoring locations, folded when the time got rough.

I appreciate Jake for what he is - a skilled offensive defenseman who wants to play like Scott Niedermayer. He has always had the tools, but his brain has always been a step slower than his body. It’s a shame really, he could have been a great player if put in the right position and with the right partner. We never found that for him, put far too much on him, and licked our wounds afterwards.

He made the correct play 99% of the time and you are cherrypicking individual plays out of thousands he makes. Gardiner is no longer the same player because of his back injury, but I'm 100% confident he was a much better player than Barrie in his prime.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

He's not very good at hockey and he plays exactly how you would expect a rich kid who graduated from Harvard to play.

Look at Kadri and Kerfoot's 5v5 scoring rates and come back to me.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Look at Kadri and Kerfoot's 5v5 scoring rates and come back to me.

I'm back. Last 3 seasons.

Kadri 1.91
Kerfoot 1.68

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I'm back. Last 3 seasons.

Kadri 1.91
Kerfoot 1.68

This season.

Kadri: 2.33
Kerfoot: 1.8

Kerfoot is providing more than 75% of Kadri's production at 75% of the price. Pretty good deal if you ask me. That doesn't even factor in the fact that Naz is shooting hot this year and Kerfoot is about average.

 

[kb]

This season.

Compare a #2C's numbers with a #3C?

That's not how this works. Compare their times spent as #3C's.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Compare a #2C's numbers with a #3C?

That's not how this works. Compare their times spent as #3C's.

What the hell does that matter? I'm using a rate. It's standardized.

This season.

Kadri: 2.33
Kerfoot: 1.8

 

[Garthinater]

Man it wouldve been a fun year having kadri up front. Instead I got to watch barrie run around with no idea what was happening in our end.

 

[kb]

What the hell does that matter? I'm using a rate. It's standardized.

This season.

Kadri: 2.33
Kerfoot: 1.8

LOL. So opportunity and linemates don't matter.

Gotcha. "Standardized"

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

LOL. So opportunity and linemates don't matter.

Gotcha. "Standardized"

I don't understand what you are arguing. Kadri is one year older and had a noticeable decline this year. He's at the age where players typically start to decline. How would you be comparing apples to apples if you compare stats across different seasons?

 

[kb]

Kadri - (as Leafs #3C) - 2018/19 - 1.875 pts/60
Kerfoot - 2019/20 - 1.742 pts/60.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Kadri - (as Leafs #3C) - 2018/19 - 1.875 pts/60
Kerfoot - 2019/20 - 1.742 pts/60.

Ok, I'm just going ignore the YoY comparison because you can't just compare different years. So you are just proving my point even further. Kerfoot is paid ~28% less and is providing far more than that in value. What exactly are you trying to say?