Jake Gardiner vs Tyson Barrie

Tyson Barrie vs Jake Gardiner


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AvroArrow

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Was having a discussion with a friend about our defensive issues and we started talking about still not having a real shut down defender and the season that Barrie has had/comparisons to Gardiner.

Anyways having had both Gardiner and Barrie on our blue line now, who is/was the better D-Man for us ?
 

MyBudJT

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Gardiner AINEC.

Gardiner's worst season defensively with us is better that Barrie's best season defensively in his career. Gardiner woudl even eat up some PK minutes. Gardiner was capable of winning puck battles...

Gardiner was significantly better than Barrie, and its not close... like at all... to the point they shouldn't even be discussed in the same way.
 

IPS

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Barrie was a #1D (not a conventional one, but one nonetheless) on a Colorado team that won a round (nearly 2) in the playoffs last year. Gardiner has done no such comparable thing.

No need to be silly.
 

qqaz

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Was having a discussion with a friend about our defensive issues and we started talking about still not having a real shut down defender and the season that Barrie has had/comparisons to Gardiner.

Anyways having had both Gardiner and Barrie on our blue line now, who is/was the better D-Man for us ?

I voted Barrie, because I think he's actually the better player. But you did say "for us", so I need to re-think this.

Barrie has been a serious disappointment as a Leaf. While Gardiner had some really great stretches here. I think the answer should be Gardiner.
 

MyBudJT

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rose tinted glasses here, Garinder was absolute garbage at defensive play barrie miles better but easily better.

False Bobo.

Its even more hysterical that people think that Gardiner was worse than (or even the same as) Barrie defensively....

Gardiner's worst season defeinsvely was still better than Barrie's best season defensively.

Numbers below
Jake Gardiner:
15-16: 0.78 EV GA/GP; 50.6% 5v5 OZ%; 16:49 5v5 TOI/GP
16-17: 0.65 EV GA/GP; 54% 5v5 OZ%; 17:36 5v5 TOI/GP
17-18: 0.82 EV GA/GP; 47.4% 5v5 OZ%; 18:54 5v5 TOI/GP
18-19: 0.72 EV GA/GP; 48.7% 5v5 OZ%; 18:18 5v5 TOI/GP

AVG: 0.74 EV GA/GP; 50.25 5v5 OZ%; 17:54 5v5 TOI/GP

Tyson Barrie:
16-17: 1.11 EV GA/GP; 56.7% 5v5 OZ%; 18:39 5v5 TOI/GP
17-18: 1.01 EV GA/GP; 61.3% 5v5 OZ%; 17:47 5v5 TOI/GP
18-19: 0.87 EV GA/GP; 63.1% 5v5 OZ%; 16:49 5v5 TOI/GP
19-20: 1.03 EV GA/GP; 56.9% 5v5 OZ%; 19:07 5v5 TOI/GP

AVG: 1.01 EV GA/GP; 59.5% 5v5 OZ%; 18:05 TOI/GP


Not to mention, Gardiner actually played PK minutes for us. Barrie wouldn't ever be trusted in such a situation.
 

Clark4Ever

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Gardiner hands down. Albeit post injury Gardiner this season might be a different story.
 

Buds17

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Gardiner improved considerably over the latter half of his Leaf career. Barrie is looking to be one season and done here. The team really needed a right shot D going into this season though. That could only be one of the options.
 

Havoc

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Gardiner is better suited for our current defensive situation i.e no rielly and ceci with ahl guys like holl too high in the lineup.

He doesn't panic. He'll try to make the calm and collected play even if forecheckers are coming in strong to bounce him off the puck. He'll give it away along the boards if he has to but he rarely just throws it in the middle randomly like Barrie who seems massively rattled in his current role.
 
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Walshy7

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False Bobo.

Its even more hysterical that people think that Gardiner was worse than (or even the same as) Barrie defensively....

Gardiner's worst season defeinsvely was still better than Barrie's best season defensively.

Numbers below
Jake Gardiner:
15-16: 0.78 EV GA/GP; 50.6% 5v5 OZ%; 16:49 5v5 TOI/GP
16-17: 0.65 EV GA/GP; 54% 5v5 OZ%; 17:36 5v5 TOI/GP
17-18: 0.82 EV GA/GP; 47.4% 5v5 OZ%; 18:54 5v5 TOI/GP
18-19: 0.72 EV GA/GP; 48.7% 5v5 OZ%; 18:18 5v5 TOI/GP

AVG: 0.74 EV GA/GP; 50.25 5v5 OZ%; 17:54 5v5 TOI/GP

Tyson Barrie:
16-17: 1.11 EV GA/GP; 56.7% 5v5 OZ%; 18:39 5v5 TOI/GP
17-18: 1.01 EV GA/GP; 61.3% 5v5 OZ%; 17:47 5v5 TOI/GP
18-19: 0.87 EV GA/GP; 63.1% 5v5 OZ%; 16:49 5v5 TOI/GP
19-20: 1.03 EV GA/GP; 56.9% 5v5 OZ%; 19:07 5v5 TOI/GP

AVG: 1.01 EV GA/GP; 59.5% 5v5 OZ%; 18:05 TOI/GP


Not to mention, Gardiner actually played PK minutes for us. Barrie wouldn't ever be trusted in such a situation.

you quoted my post before i edited it, i said barrie "isnt" miles better, it does look like gardiner was a little better i stand corrected there its definitely not "AINEC" though.

All a moot point becasue barrie is known as an elite offensive dman while gardiner is an offensive dman not very good at offense nor defense. Comparing 2 shit defensive players to say one is better is pretty stupid anyway
 

Havoc

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Gards is bigger and stronger on his skates so I choose him. But they both suck defensively and both are scared.

Disagree Gardiner played scared. He got thrown off the puck along the boards or was forced to launch it on the boards because he was too slow in making a decision.

Barrie plays scared which makes him do dumb things. Gardiner was just plain dumb at times.
 

Walshy7

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Gards is bigger and stronger on his skates so I choose him. But they both suck defensively and both are scared.

your reasons for choosing gardiner basically boil down to "bigger" he was in no way shape or form stronger on his skates, every GDT was full of people talking about how he was nowhere near strong enough on his skates. Barrie keeps his feet more that gardiner does both do suck defensively and im not sure its "scared" per se more rushed massively when pressure is put on them
 

JT AM da real deal

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Disagree Gardiner played scared. He got thrown off the puck along the boards or was forced to launch it on the boards because he was too slow in making a decision.

Barrie plays scared which makes him do dumb things. Gardiner was just plain dumb at times.
OK I can buy the DUMB thing i guess. But I can't ever forget the game where he was first to puck by 2 or 3 lengths and basically stopped to give up the puck to an aggressive forechecker who was gonna run him and it led to a goal against. Everyone in the place booooed him so hard even the lower deck on that one which almost never happens. But I guess he was DUMB.
 
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JT AM da real deal

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your reasons for choosing gardiner basically boil down to "bigger" he was in no way shape or form stronger on his skates, every GDT was full of people talking about how he was nowhere near strong enough on his skates. Barrie keeps his feet more that gardiner does both do suck defensively and im not sure its "scared" per se more rushed massively when pressure is put on them
From what I have seen of them at camps Gards much stronger on his skates. Barrie is faster straight line yes. But 2 different issues between balance and speed.
 

Guided by Veseys

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I don’t find Barrie worse than Jake defensively. He’s just such a rover he gets caught out of position way more. If the forwards covered for him a bit more effectively that would bring the most efficient usage of his talent.
 

Walshy7

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From what I have seen of them at camps Gards much stronger on his skates. Barrie is faster straight line yes. But 2 different issues between balance and speed.

camps? for real? camps where no one is about to hit them at full speed? yeah thats not a way to judge strength on skates
 

Bomber0104

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This is actually close..

I guess it really just depends how heavily one weighs Game 7 meltdowns (Gardiner) versus frequent down-low / net-front blunders (Barrie)...

I give the slight edge to Gardiner.
 
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The Iceman

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Barrie was a #1D (not a conventional one, but one nonetheless) on a Colorado team that won a round (nearly 2) in the playoffs last year. Gardiner has done no such comparable thing.

No need to be silly.

Using that logic would Landeskog be better than Marner?
 
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